As R.S. pointed out, .net is not bundled (I thought it was because the MS-Windows at work had it - our Windows people must have integrated in; and at home I use only Linux). So I guess ".net" is "free" the same way that Java is "free". That is, no direct cost to you if you already have everything else you need to run it. I guess that I could download it on my Linux box. But that would be like getting a free tractor tire when you don't have a tractor. <shrug/> It is not "free" for me to use at home because I would need to invest in an MS-Windows license so that I could use it. Most Windows users would consider it "free" because they simply assume that everybody already has a PC and is running MS-Windows. I buy my PCs from a vendor (ZaReason) who bundles Linux (distro of your choice) instead of Windows.
-- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Ed Gould > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 10:08 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Another Light goes out > > John: > > Your points are good. However you *MUST* order (and pay for) LE as > other components TCP and others need it (LE). > > Ed > > On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:02 AM, McKown, John wrote: > > > Since it's Friday and I am not doing much today, I'll jump in. When > > one buys (actually licenses) a version of what is called "MS- > > Windows", they get a lot of different programs all "bundled" > > together. The programs which make up the .net run-time environment > > are a part of this bundle. Therefore, IMO, .net run-time is an > > integral part of MS-Windows and so is not "free" per se. You don't > > pay for it separately, like you do for MS-Office. But you can't > > get .net run-time separate from MS-Windows (well, ignoring Mono at > > this point, you can't run Mono on MS-Windows). Also, you cannot > > legally get and use the bundle called MS-Windows without a license. > > That license may be paid for by you; or by a friend; or hidden as > > the "Microsoft tax" when you purchase a PC with MS-Windows pre- > > installed. .net run-time is like Internet Explorer. Both are > > bundled and their use is allowed because you have a license for MS- > > Windows. > > > > In opposition to this would be software such as Oracle's Java and > > LibreOffice. Neither of these are distributed in the "MS-Windows > > bundle". Both of these may be downloaded, installed, and used > > without paying money or "other consideration". However, if you look > > closely at the sites, you will see that there is a explicitly > > granted license to you to allow you download, install, and use > > them. They are not "public domain". Java is gratis (no cost). > > LibreOffice is both gratis (no cost) and libre (you can get; > > modify; and redistribute). Technically, you are not supposed to > > download Java, then give that downloaded copy to another. You are > > only granted the right to download Java for yourself, for use on > > that specific PC. Again, unlike LibreOffice whose license allows > > you to redistribute it. > > > > In the z/OS world, what exactly is z/OS? It definitely isn't free, > > so what is being paid for? Is it the BCP which actually costs > > money; and the rest (like TSO, LLA, VLF, DFSMSdfp, LE) are "free" > > just because bundled? LE might be considered the ".net of z/OS". LE > > is not cost-free! You certainly can't order z/OS without getting > > and using LE. If you don't like LE as an example, what about > > DFSMSdfp? It is also bundled and not part of the BCP. There is > > other software which runs on z/OS which some might consider as part > > of z/OS. One example is "Communications Server", aka VTAM and > > TCPIP. Guess what? You can order z/OS without ordering > > Communications Server. It is useful? Well, how about a batch-only > > image which is connected to another system using a CTC as an NJE > > channel. The second image could do JES2 NJE to the batch image > > without the need for Communications Server. Sounds weird to me, but > > what do I know of unusual requirements? There is other software > > which is obviously not part of z/OS: the compilers for example. > > > > Anyway, the way that I think of it ".net" is not free because it's > > cost is bundled into MS-Windows. Other may consider it to be "free" > > because it is not separately priced. You pays your money, you takes > > your choice. Either way, you pay money to MS. > > > > -- > > John McKown > > Systems Engineer IV > > IT > > > > Administrative Services Group > > > > HealthMarkets(r) > > > > 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. 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Whether you chose to pay that additional cost for > >> other reasons is irrelevant. > >> > >> -- > >> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT > >> Atid/2 <http://patriot.net/~shmuel> > >> We don't care. 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