My favorite OT theme. Related in my mind. The diameter of the original space 
shuttle booster rocket was an odd value determined as follows:

-- The booster was built in rural Utah 
-- To reach the eventual launch pad, it had to travel through a train tunnel
-- The booster had to fit through the tunnel
-- So the spacing of train tracks determined the booster's diameter
-- The spacing of RR tracks was influenced by the spacing of ancient wagon 
wheels
-- Wagon wheel spacing was influenced by the horses that once pulled them
-- In other words, the diameter of the booster rocket derived from a horse's 
*ss 
-- QED?

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Charles Mills
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 2:31 PM
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"Laced" (every hold punched) cards were an amusing bulletin board item.

And yes, I believe I heard at the time @Jesse's premise as to why 'S' did not 
use row 1.

Actually, the alpha codes are as follow:

A - I, row 12 plus rows 1 - 9
J - R, row 11 plus rows 1 - 9
S - Z, row 0 plus rows 2 - 9

So you see that if S used row 1 it would have had two adjacent rows punched, 0 
and 1.

(The rows, from top to bottom, are 12, 11, 0 - 9.)

Non-alphanumeric punches were fairly rare, and column binary was extremely rare.

Object code decks of course contained non-alphanumeric punches. The X'02' that 
begins each (traditional) object code record, preceding ESD, TXT, RLD or END? I 
still think of it as "12-2-9.")

Charles


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Of Steve Smith
Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 2:07 PM
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Subject: Re: Punched cards and character set

That's plausible, I think.  While there are plenty of adjacent punches in the 
full 256-characters, I'm sure most cards were mostly alphanumeric only, and it 
might pay to make them as strong as possible.  I remember seeing some cards 
that were punched in every position; those were very delicate, and definitely 
couldn't survive a pass through a card reader, regardless of the fact they had 
no validity at all.

sas

On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 4:55 PM Jesse 1 Robinson <jesse1.robin...@sce.com>
wrote:

> I haven't seen this mentioned. The punch card codes for letters went 
> like
> this:
>
> A - I rows 1 - 9
> J - R rows 1 - 9
> S - Z rows 2 - 9
>
> So why was S assigned to row 2 instead of row 1? The answer I was 
> taught was that row 1 was  too close to an adjacent location. The 
> punching/reading devices and card stock of the day could not reliably 
> handle punches that close together, so row 1 was skipped for the third 
> alphabetic sequence.
>
> What's amusing is that this pattern was carried over to EBCDIC. The 
> code for S likewise skips a possible combination: D9 to E2; 'E1' is 
> not assigned to an alphabetic character.
>
>


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