On 8/1/22 1:42 am, Tony Harminc wrote:
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 at 11:45, Lionel B. Dyck<lbd...@gmail.com>  wrote:

I've been following this thread and one thing that has yet to appear, or I 
missed it, has to do with 4GL's and the drive, at one point, for languages that 
were more human oriented - those that could be written more like a normal 
sentence or phrase, and avoid the technical jargon/gobblygook/syntax. As I 
recall in the 1980's there were a few but nothing came of them, instead we have 
languages that have their own syntax, and which require extensive learning but 
nothing that allows a non-programmer to actually generate a complex business 
program.
COBOL was supposed to be that, no? Managers could in theory at least
read (if not write) a COBOL program and understand what it does,
because it so (superficially) resembles English.

It's interesting that no language since COBOL has ever tried to emulate the "english" syntax. It turns out that it was not actually a terribly good idea. Programmers preferred languages with more concise syntax.

BTW, I'm not knocking COBOL. I'm a mainframe guy and I'm cognizant to the fact that the raison d'être of the mainframe is to run applications written in COBOL. PL/I programmers will disagree but COBOL is king.


 From my experience, REXX has many of the 4GL goals as the syntax isn't overly 
complex and is something a non-programmer can comprehend rather easily. As has 
been previously mentioned in this thread, REXX can be more readily learned and 
used than the majority of the current languages. It isn't perfect but it works 
very well.
Indeed.

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