Enzo, Your problem may be that IBM no longer has the tools to generate Licensing for this machine.
Joe On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 8:03 AM Enzo D'Amato <edam...@octechservices.org> wrote: > Thanks for the website information, this was a fascinating read. Either > way, I am going to see what I can do about getting the additional CP and > engines. I am quite happy about having the additional memory however, as > usually find myself running lots of different semi-idle tasks and OSes. > > Thanks for sharing that link, > Enzo Damato > ________________________________________ > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf > of Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 7:38 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > Here's an old web page that may be of some interest. This site (now > gone) used to list MIPS and general prices. For IFL/zIIP/zAAP > processors I usually estimate based on a Z01 which would be 782 MIPS. > Quite a bit higher than the poor A01, if you can get it somehow. > > > https://web.archive.org/web/20190814064640/http://www.tech-news.com/publib/pl2818.html > > And your A01 is listed there at $75K, but with the FICON, extra memory, > and CBU, I wouldn't be surprised if it originally sold for double that. > > On 5/28/2022 3:04 PM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > > Not what I meant by program for. I was referring to the ibm approved > workloads (DB2, zAAP for Java) and learning how the accelerators impact the > computing speed, and what kinds of applications take best advantage of them. > > > > Thanks for the heads up though, > > Enzo Damato > > > > Get BlueMail for Android<https://bluemail.me> > > On May 28, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Mike Schwab <mike.a.sch...@gmail.com > <mailto:mike.a.sch...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > You can't program for the specialty processors without a contract from > > IBM. That is what got Neon to speed up DB2. > > https://www.theregister.com/2011/06/01/ibm_prevails_over_neon_zprime/ > > > > On Sat, May 28, 2022 at 8:53 PM Enzo D'Amato <edam...@octechservices.org> > wrote: > > > > I am trying to get in contact with someone from IBM. I don't plan on > pushing the processor too hard (I am only one person), so I am not too > upset about this. I would really like to unlock some of the specialty > engines to learn more about how they impact performance and software > behavior. Either way though, performance isn't the end of the world for me. > > > > Thanks for the info, > > Enzo Damato > > ________________________________ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on > behalf of Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 2:33 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > > > Once a CBU record expires, the machine is stuck at whatever it was > > originally configured for, an A01 in your case. And since this machine > > was withdrawn from LICC marketing a long time ago, a customer can't > even > > extend the contract. Basically, this single restriction is probably > why > > you were able to purchase the box for only $2K. > > > > But your case is different. I'm hoping someone at IBM will get > > involved, skip over the rules, and get you what you need (LICC and > > software) in order to help popularize the mainframe with younger folks > > who are obviously interested enough to get their own hardware. > > > > On 5/28/2022 11:11 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > > Interesting. This seems logical considering where the machine came > from. Would it be possible to toggle the CBU on even though it is expired? > Or would the machine lock this out once the contract expired. > > > > Thank you, > > Enzo Damato > > ________________________________ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on > behalf of Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> > > Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2022 1:58 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > > > I think that data is from 2015, the last time the machine reported its > > configuration to IBM as far as I can tell. So a lot could have > happened > > between then and now. Here are a couple of files you may find useful: > > > > https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/config.txt > > https://www.mildredbrennan.com/mvs/enzo/diagram.png > > > > The first is a list of the feature codes, descriptions, and counts (in > > cards not ports) of each item reported. This may be what was > originally > > ordered, or there could have been additions or removals between order > > time and that 2015 list. > > > > The png file is generated by IBM's config program and should look at > > least somewhat like what you have and can be matched up with the > > config.txt listing. > > > > In addition, this appears to have been a Disaster Recovery machine with > > a CBU contract that expired in 2016. That would explain why it's an > A01 > > with a good amount of FICON and a decent amount of memory (for the > > time). The CBU contract would have allowed the customer to dynamically > > add processors/speed for DR testing (or a real DR), while only paying > > for an A01 - which is the cheapest possible for a DR box. > > > > What concerns me about power is that I was always under the impression > > that a machine's ability to run either 3ph or 1ph is determined at > order > > time, although I'm not sure since I never worked with anything but 3ph > > boxes. Next time I talk with an IBM CE/SSR/Top-Gun I'll try to > remember > > to ask about that, or hopefully somebody else here knows. > > > > On 5/28/2022 7:28 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > > This is about what I expected in terms of CPU and memory, but I have > no idea what happened with the expansion cards. I almost certainly will not > use 18 ficon ports anyway, so I am not too upset about those ports. Either > way, I will ask the seller what happened with the extra channel cards. I > also wanted to ask if anyone could share the proper 3 phase to single phase > wiring for the power cable (I know the z114 BPRs can take 220v single > phase). I am checking the technical and physical planning guides for this > information, but I would like to independently verify this information so > that I don't fry my new machine. > > > > Thanks, > > Enzo Damato > > ________________________________ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on > behalf of Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 2:18 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > > > I was able to download the config information, but it doesn't seem to > > match what you reported. So it could be I'm looking at something else. > > Here's a summary - I'll assume you don't mind me posting it here since > > many people here want to help. > > > > z114 2818-M05-A01 485F7 > > 26 MIPS, 3 MSU > > 40 GB > > 18 ports FICON 8S SX > > 8 ports OSA 3-2P 1000BASE-T > > STP > > CPACF > > 1 HMC Tower > > 2 Power cables - 14ft 200V 30A 3Ph Line > > > > On 5/27/2022 9:18 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > > I have a model 2818 with s/n 02-485F7. I am fairly sure that I have a > relatively low CPU capacity number, and all my unused PCIE card slots have > blank fillers, but 2 of my I/O drawer slots are empty (no card or filler). > If you can do a lookup, I would appreciate it. > > > > Thank you, > > Enzo Damato > > ________________________________ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on > behalf of Tom Brennan <t...@tombrennansoftware.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 11:53 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > > > Do you know the serial number? It's typically on a small label on the > > front door. With that, someone from IBM (or maybe even me, I'm not > > sure) can go to IBM's Inventory Services and get the configuration data > > that was uploaded the last time the machine was connected to IBM's > "call > > home" network. That data includes model, CP speed and count, cards, > and > > other items. And if that data matches your card count, that's a good > > sign nobody has been picking spare parts out of the box. > > > > On 5/27/2022 7:43 AM, Enzo D'Amato wrote: > > Parwez is correct that this is a M05 model, I will let you know what I > have in terms of processor capacity as soon as I finish setting up power > and turn it on. I in terms of my IO card configuration, this is what I > currently have in the box: > > 2 2 port pcie 8g ficon cards (pcie) > > 2 2 port rj45 Ethernet cards (pcie) > > 1 4 port ficon card (IO drawer) > > 2 16 port escon cards (IO drawer) > > > > I did want to ask however, do that crypto express cards and OSA > adapters require LICCC codes to enable? Most of my home network is 10GbE, > and I wanted to put one of those cards in so I can directly network it to > my core switch, but I don't want to order one if it will not activate. I am > currently working on sourcing FICON storage, and I will update you if I > make any headway on that front. I also have a plan and I think I will be > able to get some mainframe attached virtual tape set up. As Harry > recommended, I do plan on doing some experimenting with the bare metal on > the machine, but I don't have much experience with embedded/bare metal > programming, so I would really be starting from the ground up with that. I > would like to get in contact with someone about getting software > disks/licences for my machine. I know that you said that it would be a > special order as the software is withdrawn from marketing, but considering > the circumstances, it may not hurt to ask. I would also like to look into > what would be involved in getting a LICCC capacity upgrade (the z114 is not > completely out of support until the end of this year). If you know anyone > who I should reach out to, please let me know. > > > > I am quite close to both the z/VM and Marist events (I am like 20 > minutes from the IBM Poughkeepsie plant), but I will have to check my > calendar to see if I can make them (I should be able to, but I may have > finals that week. I will have to check). > > > > I will keep this list updated as I make progress and work on getting > the system set up. > > Thank you, > > Enzo Damato > > ________________________________ > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on > behalf of Timothy Sipples <sipp...@sg.ibm.com> > > Sent: Friday, May 27, 2022 6:04 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: my new z114 > > > > Enzo, > > > > Congratulations on your acquisition! > > > > I’m curious if you happen to know yet the physical model (it’ll be > either 2818-M05 or 2818-M10) and general capacity details, notably the > capacity model, number/type(s) of specialty engines (if any; IFLs, zIIPs, > ICFs), and memory configuration. The capacity model is a letter (A to Z), > the number 0, and a number 0 to 5. For example, Q02. [A00 would be > unfortunate since that’d mean no general purpose engines (CPs) are > configured. If it’s a Z05 you won this lottery, but really any CP capacity > is fine for a home lab.] Also, have you figured out yet what features you > have installed in the I/O slots? > > > > As I think I mentioned, if you have a 2818-M10 and/or lots of I/O > features you might be able to (unofficially, after very careful study) > field modify the physical configuration so that you’re powering fewer > components to reduce electricity consumption and heat output in your home > lab. But if you have a -M05 with just a few I/O features then this’ll be a > moot point. > > > > I wonder if the machine has any Crypto Express adapters. > > > > I really like the suggestion to visit the z/VM conference if you can. > There are bound to be many curious and knowledgeable people there. If 21st > Century Software happens to be at that conference then you could ask them > about VSEn 6.3 if that interests you. There’s also a mainframe conference > coming up at Marist College in Poughkeepsie, New York, from June 12 to 14, > if convenient. > > > > https://ecc.marist.edu/web/conference2022 > > > > Operating systems that do not require ECKD/FICON-attached storage > (technically, leaving any licensing issues aside): Linux, z/VM, z/VSE, > VSEn. Possibly also MUSIC/SP, as a guest of z/VM anyway, but I’m guessing a > bit. I think you can start the z/OS Customized Offerings Driver without > actually having any attached storage, but then you can’t do that much with > it. > > > > Operating systems that require ECKD/FICON-attached storage: z/OS, > z/TPF. (z/TPF is even a little more particular about minimum storage > configurations. I believe it requires some physical or virtual tape as > well.) > > > > There are some bootable “mini things” that people don’t generally > consider operating systems but that do serve useful functions. Standalone > IOCP and Jan Jaeger’s ZZSA are two good examples. > > > > Good luck, and please keep us posted. > > > > — — — — — > > Timothy Sipples > > Senior Architect > > Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity > > IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific > > sipp...@sg.ibm.com > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > . > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > . > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > . > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > . > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ________________________________ > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
