I hate to chime in here, but I believe you both are saying that "ordered" is not equivalent to the act of actually distributing the funds
> -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf Of Bill Johnson > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2022 7:04 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: IBM ordered to pay $1.6b to BMC > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] DO NOT CLICK links or attachments unless you recognize > the sender and know the content is safe. > > On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 15:49, Bill Johnson > <00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > Saying it will or won’t be overturned is just as silly as insinuating IBM > > will > now hand over 1.6 billion at this stage of the proceedings. Yet, the headline > states and the OP assumes exactly that. Gleefully I might add. > > Uh, no. The subject line is exactly "IBM ordered to pay $1.6b to BMC". > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, June 3, 2022, 9:58 PM, Jay Maynard <jaymayn...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Uhm, Bill...where, exactly, did Tony (I assume you mean Tony Harminc, > right?) say that IBM was going to hand over $1.6e+09? Citation, please. > With quote. > > On Fri, Jun 3, 2022 at 8:54 PM Bill Johnson < > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Tony thinks IBM is handing over 1.6 billion. Because the judge ordered it. > > In the article it states IBM is going to appeal. Which means they don’t pay > > anything, yet. Once they file a Notice of Appeal, usually within 30 days, > > with documentation of why they think the trial judge was wrong, the > appeals > > court will decide whether the case gets heard. (Very likely) It gets > > scheduled, might be a while, and the appeals court might overturn or > uphold > > the judgment. If upheld, IBM can appeal further. If overturned, BMC can > > appeal. Meanwhile, BMC & IBM can negotiate a settlement while the > appeals > > play out. It could take years. No money changes hands while it plays out. > > No matter what the judge said. > > I was in law enforcement and was going to be a lawyer about 20 years ago. > > Took the LSAT, passed with flying colors and was offered seats at a number > > of law schools nationwide. > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Friday, June 3, 2022, 9:34 PM, Bob Bridges <robhbrid...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > Well, look at the history (I saved it below): > > > > You: ....the headline states and the OP assumes exactly that [IBM will now > > hand over 1.6 billion]... > > > > Tony: ...no. The subject line is exactly "IBM ordered to pay $1.6b to BMC". > > > > You said (among other things) that the articles headline states that IBM > > will now hand over the fine. I don't think you meant that, you were > > conflating the headline with the article, while distinguishing between the > > judgement against IBM and IBM's putative obedience. Tony pointed out, > > correctly, that the headline did not after all say exactly that. He was > > picking out just that one part of your words, not the whole thing. > > > > The discussion kind of went south from there. I'm guessing you thought > > Tony was disagreeing with the entirety of your post, not just that one > > part, and the two of you started sliding down the slippery slope toward a > > flame war. As usual, it isn't necessary. > > > > --- > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings. > > The inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of misery. > > -Churchill */ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf > > Of Bill Johnson > > Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 20:09 > > > > Explain it to me Bob. I gotta hear this. > > > > --- On Friday, June 3, 2022, 8:02 PM, Bob Bridges > <robhbrid...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > No, Bill, you don't, or at least you didn't in this case. I don’t mind > > explaining it to you, if you really missed it. If you don't care, I'll > > leave it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf > > Of Bill Johnson > > Sent: Friday, June 3, 2022 19:03 > > > > I read just fine. There’s more than just the headline. > > > > --- On Friday, June 3, 2022, 6:58 PM, Tony Harminc <t...@harminc.net> > > wrote: > > Do you not understand how to read? > > > > --- On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 17:11, Bill Johnson < > > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > And they’re appealing. So no payment will be made yet. Do you not > > understand how courts work? > > > > --- On Friday, June 3, 2022, 5:09 PM, Tony Harminc <t...@harminc.net> > > wrote: > > Uh, no. The subject line is exactly "IBM ordered to pay $1.6b to BMC". > > > > --- On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 at 15:49, Bill Johnson < > > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Saying it will or won’t be overturned is just as silly as insinuating > > IBM will now hand over 1.6 billion at this stage of the proceedings. Yet, > > the headline states and the OP assumes exactly that. 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