OK...that was the commonality. Either that or you were suggesting that "banking transactions" implies cloud.
I saw no "cloud" in anything you listed other than that one bank was running their stuff in AWS. Viewed through that lens, the question doesn't even make sense: "Is this thing that IS in the cloud different from this other thing that's not in the cloud?" Well, yes. On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:30 PM Bill Johnson < 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I never said APP = Cloud. I can get my banking transactions anywhere in > the world from JPM wherever their mainframe is located. The exact same > thing I can do with Capital One via AWS. The APPS are just the front end > query mechanism. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Friday, June 17, 2022, 1:22 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Correct. App <> cloud. > > On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:04 PM Bill Johnson < > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > So if I get my banking transactions by Capital One APP via AWS, that’s > > cloud, but if I get those same banking transactions via JP Morgan APP > which > > acquires the records via CICS transaction from DB2 that’s not cloud? > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Friday, June 17, 2022, 12:56 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > I'm highly suspicious of cloud in general, don't get me wrong. But IBM > > can't just call CICS "cloud" and expect it to mean anything. Calling a > tail > > a leg doesn't make it one: when the rest of the industry says "cloud" > these > > days, they don't just mean outsourcing, and definitely don't mean CICS. > And > > CICS isn't a synonym for outsourcing in any case. > > > > Actually, if you think of cloud services in terms of HTTPS transactions, > > CICS isn't that far off in some ways--but it still isn't the same thing, > > more an older, pre-Internet version of something similar. Yes, CICS can > > serve web pages; that doesn't make CICS = cloud! > > > > "Mainframe modernization" is a pretty bogus term, nicely loaded: "Hmm, if > > mainframe modernization exists, mainframes must be > > old-fashioned/obsolete/behind". Wrong, as we know. "Mainframe emulation" > is > > closer, only that tends to make us think zPDT, Hercules, et al.; "z/OS > > emulation" seems more accurate to me, but isn't the term that folks use, > so > > it doesn't help at this point. It's a mess. > > > > But none of this discussion, interesting as it is, relates to the fact > that > > IBM claims to have a cloud presence BUT has chosen to host their offering > > in AWS. Those two items are pretty hard to reconcile. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
