On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:30 PM Bill Johnson <
00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
I never said APP = Cloud. I can get my banking transactions anywhere in
the world from JPM wherever their mainframe is located. The exact same
thing I can do with Capital One via AWS. The APPS are just the front end
query mechanism.
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On Friday, June 17, 2022, 1:22 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
Correct. App <> cloud.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:04 PM Bill Johnson <
00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
So if I get my banking transactions by Capital One APP via AWS, that’s
cloud, but if I get those same banking transactions via JP Morgan APP
which
acquires the records via CICS transaction from DB2 that’s not cloud?
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On Friday, June 17, 2022, 12:56 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm highly suspicious of cloud in general, don't get me wrong. But IBM
can't just call CICS "cloud" and expect it to mean anything. Calling a
tail
a leg doesn't make it one: when the rest of the industry says "cloud"
these
days, they don't just mean outsourcing, and definitely don't mean CICS.
And
CICS isn't a synonym for outsourcing in any case.
Actually, if you think of cloud services in terms of HTTPS transactions,
CICS isn't that far off in some ways--but it still isn't the same thing,
more an older, pre-Internet version of something similar. Yes, CICS can
serve web pages; that doesn't make CICS = cloud!
"Mainframe modernization" is a pretty bogus term, nicely loaded: "Hmm, if
mainframe modernization exists, mainframes must be
old-fashioned/obsolete/behind". Wrong, as we know. "Mainframe emulation"
is
closer, only that tends to make us think zPDT, Hercules, et al.; "z/OS
emulation" seems more accurate to me, but isn't the term that folks use,
so
it doesn't help at this point. It's a mess.
But none of this discussion, interesting as it is, relates to the fact
that
IBM claims to have a cloud presence BUT has chosen to host their offering
in AWS. Those two items are pretty hard to reconcile.
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