Yeah, after I wrote that I thought perhaps I was going off half-cocked. The fact is still, however, that the *effective* exposure is $zero. You can make your financial decisions as though it were otherwise, of course; that is your privilege.
Charles -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2022 11:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS No, the limit for a debit card is $500.00. Perhaps you're thinking of a credit card, for which the limit is $50.00. Again, that's why I don't and won't have a debit card. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Charles Mills [charl...@mcn.org] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 6:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS As Phil says (1) the limit is $50, not $500; and (2) for all practical purposes the limit is $0. Does anyone here know anyone who has ever gotten dinged for more than $0? Charles -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 2:34 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS Plus even if the fraud was by an employee issuing the card, you're still on the hook. Thanks but no thanks. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 5:28 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS The debit card loss is max $500 as long as you report it stolen within 60 days. After 60, unlimited. Agree with you about never having one. https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fconsumer.f %2F&data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7Ca6ba78cd639440f5dde208da50b07e08%7 C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637911016213051643%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3 D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=gTyEYxT9DiX%2BJsUBN4XxMju2XyJe9SaVxgGPOI%2F0AhE% 3D&reserved=0 tc.gov%2Farticles%2Flost-or-stolen-credit-atm-debit-cards%23limit&data=0 5%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C125d22a6b7324b05640908da50a84fd6%7C9e857255df574 c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637910981072007504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJ WIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C %7C&sdata=ugEJ53tbY1rmlt3mS25zlEWkLfmwQjvT35Vryv5DCsc%3D&reserved=0 Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, June 17, 2022, 5:20 PM, Seymour J Metz <sme...@gmu.edu> wrote: In the US, under certain circumstances, there is a $50 cap on fraud losses with credit cards but the cap for debit cards is $500. That's why I don't have a debit card and don't plan to eveer have one, absent a change in the law. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Bill Johnson [00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2022 2:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS Ive had at least a dozen credit cards compromised in the last 20 years. Including JPM. So much for the great non mainframe security & fraud protection. With credit cards, Im not on the hook for anything, and they send me a new card overnight. Not true of debit cards. Your losses can be infinite. I get hundreds of spam emails on Yahoo daily. But, its not my main email service. Its disposable. No fear whatsoever. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, June 17, 2022, 2:28 PM, David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> wrote: On 18/06/2022 2:20 am, Bill Johnson wrote: > Here you go. Mainframe jobs you can apply for with JPM. LOLZ! What's that got to do with anything? > > https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.linked %2F&data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7Ca6ba78cd639440f5dde208da50b07e08%7 C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C637911016213051643%7CUnknown%7CT WFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3 D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=XwB866Ef5SKaUTXOTcxUhmu3aEkF%2BGxW15WEtHQo1Rk%3D &reserved=0 in.com%2Fjobs%2Fjpmorgan-chase-mainframe-jobs&data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gm u.edu%7C125d22a6b7324b05640908da50a84fd6%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb% 7C0%7C0%7C637910981072007504%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJ QIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=784OFW QQ%2BS%2BASGLIz1JXqr6TlsSN%2FizVE4qA6Clbkns%3D&reserved=0 > > Be careful however because LinkedIn has some serious scam issues. Likely because its on the cloud. If you fear the cloud so much then stop using Yahoo mail, your bank cards, entertainment services such as Netflix. 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Other than one is fast, reliable, and secure and the other is not. Both can be located anywhere in the world and accessed from anywhere via all kinds of devices. Explain the difference. What makes one a cloud and not the other? >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Friday, June 17, 2022, 1:36 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> OK...that was the commonality. Either that or you were suggesting that >> "banking transactions" implies cloud. >> >> I saw no "cloud" in anything you listed other than that one bank was >> running their stuff in AWS. Viewed through that lens, the question doesn't >> even make sense: "Is this thing that IS in the cloud different from this >> other thing that's not in the cloud?" Well, yes. >> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:30 PM Bill Johnson < >>> 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>> I never said APP = Cloud. I can get my banking transactions anywhere in >>> the world from JPM wherever their mainframe is located. The exact same >>> thing I can do with Capital One via AWS. The APPS are just the front end >>> query mechanism. >>> >>> >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>> >>> >>> On Friday, June 17, 2022, 1:22 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Correct. App <> cloud. >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 1:04 PM Bill Johnson < >>> 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> So if I get my banking transactions by Capital One APP via AWS, thats >>>> cloud, but if I get those same banking transactions via JP Morgan APP >>> which >>>> acquires the records via CICS transaction from DB2 thats not cloud? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Friday, June 17, 2022, 12:56 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> I'm highly suspicious of cloud in general, don't get me wrong. But IBM >>>> can't just call CICS "cloud" and expect it to mean anything. Calling a >>> tail >>>> a leg doesn't make it one: when the rest of the industry says "cloud" >>> these >>>> days, they don't just mean outsourcing, and definitely don't mean CICS. >>> And >>>> CICS isn't a synonym for outsourcing in any case. >>>> >>>> Actually, if you think of cloud services in terms of HTTPS transactions, >>>> CICS isn't that far off in some ways--but it still isn't the same thing, >>>> more an older, pre-Internet version of something similar. Yes, CICS can >>>> serve web pages; that doesn't make CICS = cloud! >>>> >>>> "Mainframe modernization" is a pretty bogus term, nicely loaded: "Hmm, if >>>> mainframe modernization exists, mainframes must be >>>> old-fashioned/obsolete/behind". Wrong, as we know. "Mainframe emulation" >>> is >>>> closer, only that tends to make us think zPDT, Hercules, et al.; "z/OS >>>> emulation" seems more accurate to me, but isn't the term that folks use, >>> so >>>> it doesn't help at this point. It's a mess. >>>> >>>> But none of this discussion, interesting as it is, relates to the fact >>> that >>>> IBM claims to have a cloud presence BUT has chosen to host their offering >>>> in AWS. 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