I also agree, but as a non-insider, I wanted to know what others were thinking.
I also belive that in most cases, the effort spent trying to get off the
mainframe would be better spent actually fixing the code running on it in the
first place. Moving around broken code doesn't automatically fix it.
It's not just about fixing broken code. If you read the ING CIO's
remarks about why they wanted off the mainframe it's not about the
platform. Nobody denies that mainframes are insanely brilliant hardware
platforms. ING wanted to get rid of batch and move towards an event
driven architecture using pub/sub where they can easily deploy loosely
coupled micro-services to provide cutting edge products. The technology
stacks are built on open source such as Kafka, MongoDB, Cassandra, NiFi,
Avro etc. The retail banking industry has been disrupted by fintechs so
waiting for an overnight batch schedule for settlements is a competitive
disadvantage. Cracking open and modernizing 50-60 year old COBOL batch
applications is a VERY heavy lift.
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On Jun 18, 2022, at 5:13 PM, Charles Mills
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I always like the stories about the companies that are in the eighth year of
a three-year project to get off the mainframe.
Enzo, my friend, you have just kicked the hornets' nest! You had better
duck, because the onslaught is coming. "The mainframe is [not] dead" is near
and dear to the hearts of IBM-MAINers.
Yes, I think the consensus is that the mainframe has a future. IBM seems to
be focused mainly on the very largest shops, so the trend seems to be bigger
and bigger machines at fewer and fewer companies. But it is hard to envision
Bank of America balancing their checking accounts every day on an array of
Windows servers, in their datacenter or in the cloud. My reading of the tea
leaves -- I am not an insider -- is that for a long time IBM was saying
the mainframe was here to stay but internally they did not believe it and
were not making decisions on that basis -- but I think that has now changed.
IBM appears to have made a HUGE investment in the z16, an investment that
will take more than 5 or more years to recoup.
Welcome aboard!
Charles
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As someone who is new to this field, and hasn't been though a wave of "the
mainframe is going away" yet, will there still be companies running the
mainframe 5 or 10 years down the line? Also, when I read about companies
trying to get off of the mainframe, how often do these efforts end up
succeeding?
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Moshix signed up for an AWS instance, loaded up Hercules and Turnkey
4-, got it going, and allowed some other people to log in.
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 8:31 AM Bill Johnson
00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote:
Cloud - Something the mainframe has been doing for decades. We called it
outsourcing. GM ran their entire organization out of mainframes in
Charlotte, Dallas, & perhaps another in the 80's. The internet just made it
easier, and less secure & reliable. Brought outsourcing to a wider audience.
Mainframe modernization. An oxymoron. Like saying today's cars are like
cars from 50 years ago. The mainframe is more advanced than any other
platforms. Billions of dollars of investment and patented technologies have
guaranteed its place for decades to come.
Sure, AWS, Azure, Oracle cloud & numerous others are creating cheap,
unsecured, unreliable, platforms for small businesses, picture storage,
emails, instant messaging, and many other tasks that aren't show stoppers if
they're hacked or down for one of many reasons. As Capital One found out and
lost almost 200 million for the pleasure.
I enjoy the glee that many of you exude when IBM has what might be
perceived as negative news. I saw the same glee when in the 90's some idiot
said the mainframe would be history circa 2000.
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On Friday, June 17, 2022, 9:06 AM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Jun 17, 2022 at 5:50 AM David Crayford dcrayf...@gmail.com
wrote:
Maybe it's the case that customers don't want to use IBMs cloud. Where I
live in Australia the big four banks are moving significant chunks of
their infrastructure to public cloud and have government legislation to
do so. NAB in particular have been quite aggressive, although like most
sensible enterprises they have gone down the multi-cloud route with
Microsoft Azure so they don't have all their eggs in one basket.
It will be interesting to see if IBM can close the cloud gap. Playing
catch-up is difficult when competing with behemoths with a decade+ head
start.
Indeed. Word from insiders is that since IBM "management" have decided
cloud is The Answer, folks have started playing games, like attributing
all
CICS-related revenue as "cloud". Q4 2020, IBM claimed $6.2B in cloud
revenue on total revenue of $16B. Given that nobody EVER says"cloud" and
"IBM" in the same sentence in the real world, those numbers are quite
difficult to believe without this kind of gameplaying.
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