And this was long before Thin ICF provisioning on a CP with interrupts. On Mon, Mar 6, 2023 at 3:07 PM Attila Fogarasi <fogar...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Perhaps your outsourcer will accept recommendations by IBM in an official > apar, see https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/II09294 > This says in part "If you can accept slower response times or occasional > slower > > response times and the load is not too great, CFs in shared > LPs may be a viable alternative to running CFs with DEDICATED > CP resources." > > > On Tue, Mar 7, 2023 at 12:04 AM Allan Staller < > 00000387911dea17-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > Classification: Confidential > > > > The "spare" ICF engine on the "A" box could be shared between *your* > > test/production sysplexes. > > > > HTH > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf > > Of Laurence Chiu > > Sent: Friday, March 3, 2023 9:34 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Running a Coupling Facility using a CP for a test Parallel > > Sysplex 0 anyh gotcha's? > > > > [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust > > the sender, Don't click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing > > email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] > > > > The situation. > > > > We share a couple of Z13's with another (larger client). Z13 B is where we > > run our development LPARs and Z13 A is production. > > > > For critical business reasons an online application on our production LPAR > > needs to be highly available and that means in a parallel sysplex. But our > > outsourcer has told us it cannot be done for the following reasons because > > there are no spare ICF engines on the host B - all are being used by other > > CF instances, either to support production Sysplexes or development ones > > (not ours). > > > > Host A does potentially have a spare ICF engine we could use to support a > > production parallel Sysplex but good practice does recommend you create a > > test one first of course. > > > > I then asked the question, if host A has a spare ICF engine, can't it be > > used to support a CF to be used by the test Sysplex on B. I was advised > > this was not possible since there are no spare connections between host A > > and Host B (Infiniband possibly) so the Sysplex on B could not actually > > communicate with the CF on A. > > > > Our requirement for the Sysplex is primarily to be able to share a VSAM > > dataset which is hit every time a transaction comes in with a peak of about > > 99tps. So we would need VSAM RLS to share the dataset records between the > > two application instances. There is no DB2, CICS or IMS so I think the only > > structures in the CF are those to support VSAM RLS, maybe some XCF > > structures and core systems. > > > > Knowing that we would only bring up the test sysplex to make sure > > transactions routed correctly across the two LPARs and most of the time we > > would have one member of the Sysplex off, I suggested that the test CF > > could be built using a CP. To this suggestion I received the following > > (anti) advice > > - there would be MSU costs (we don't care since we think the MIPS load on > > the CF would be low). Plus we would ask that the CF be defined with Dynamic > > Coupling Facility Dispatch and set DYNDISP=THIN. Since that CF is going to > > be idling most of the time, MSU consumption is not going to be a major cost. > > - it's strongly recommended not to do this by IBM. Yet when I read this > > document > > > > > > https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ibm.com%2Fdownloads%2Fcas%2FJZB2E38Q&data=05%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C1962ff1c13d7410924a708db1c617020%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C638134977066659942%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=78DxD9grmMmrALQNItds2OaQ6Eyuv43mGVh5%2BoeqQnk%3D&reserved=0 > > the option is discussed in great detail and the only negatives are the > > incurring of MSU costs and some performance degradation if both a z/OS and > > CF LPAR are trying to use the same CP at the same time. But this can be > > managed. > > > > - that a CF running on a CP would need a dedicated CP engine and there are > > no spare engines in host B. That totally flies against the information I > > have read from IBM docs. > > > > Of course for production the CF on host A would be configured to use an > > ICF engine (or share one) > > > > Finally, while I accepted the argument at the time there were no > > connections between Host A and Host B, further reading suggests that you do > > not need to dedicate channels for communications but use XCF or by using > > Infiniband sub channels or sharing the same physical link with more than > > one Sysplex. Then the issue of running the CF on a CP goes away since I can > > ask for two CF's to be defined on host A, one for production and one for > > test and DCFC ensures that that production CF is not impacted by the > > development one. > > > > A lot to digest here but I really want to have some authoritative data in > > order to refute most of the comments being our outsourcer. > > > > Thanks > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > ::DISCLAIMER:: > > ________________________________ > > The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and > > intended for the named recipient(s) only. 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