Right, but there are other facilities, and the article isn't about mainframes, it's about AI and chips in general. RIF.
On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:18 PM Bill Johnson < 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > lol, did you read the article? The Hudson Valley and Poughkeepsie are > where IBM has most of their mainframe engineering and manufacturing. > Poughkeepsie is in the Hudson Valley. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 10:58 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Nothing here says it's investing in POK, or in mainframe technology. RIF. > > And the tired stats about 71% of Fortune whatever using mainframes may or > may not be current, and don't prove anything about growth. All you have to > do is be awake to see that it's fading. Not fast--nobody thinks it's dead > or even necessarily dying yet. But it's NOT growing as a platform by the > meaningful metrics of users, applications, customer investment beyond > keeping what they have alive. > > Seriously, take a look around. You want it to be one way; that doesn't mean > it is. I've tried to convince myself otherwise for years, finally had to > admit it wasn't happening. > > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 8:00 PM Bill Johnson < > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > IDK, if POK is shrinking, why is IBM investing 20 billion there? > > > > > https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2022/10/05/ibm-to-announce-tech-investment-during-biden-visit > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 7:04 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Note that "fewer mainframes" doesn't refer to fewer boxes. It refers to > far > > fewer SITES. Yes, there's consolidation in some industries; there still > > aren't any NEW sites. You assert "IBM keeps new customers under wraps" > but > > if you talk to IBMers, there aren't any to keep under wraps. More wishful > > thinking, I'm afraid. Unless your contention is that they're kept so > secret > > that the people who support them don't know about them... > > > > There might have been 3K folks listed as working in POK 15 months ago. > IBM > > just RIFfed another 7,000. Given that it was at least five years ago that > > IBM was down to 25,000 domestic employees, I doubt there are 3K left in > POK > > by a long shot, but it's possible. If so, they aren't very busy, at least > > not with zSystems stuff. In any case, ask anyone who's been there lately: > > the build floor is empty. > > > > I've said it before, but some people don't seem to hear it, so I'll > repeat: > > I'm not anti-mainframe. I've been making my living off it for over four > > decades, and while retirement is within view, I'm not there yet. I would > > like it to be healthy and growing; all the real evidence points the other > > way, no matter what IBM press releases may state. > > > > P.S. Sorry, Dave, zOSMF doesn't count. It's a tool. Nobody is installing > a > > mainframe so they can run it. We don't buy computers to run tools or > > operating systems: we buy them to run applications. Big difference. > > > > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 2:17 PM Bill Johnson < > > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > The facts are readily available. Mainframe growth is undeniable. And > will > > > be for decades to come. Will weak banks foolishly buy what airline > > > magazines are selling? Of course. Bad decisions are made in the > business > > > world daily. Ms Hovsepian should be more concerned with her company > > > (Microfocus part) desperately trying to reverse engineer CICS so they > can > > > justify their decision to partner with Amazon Web Services. > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1:42 PM, Bob Bridges <robhbrid...@gmail.com > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Bill, you said "bull", which I misunderstood to mean that you disagree. > > > But the article you posted in support of that opinion (or whatever it > is) > > > doesn't contradict the OP's article. > > > > > > I'm just guessing here, but maybe you've been arguing with those > > > mainframe-is-dying folks so long that you no longer notice the nuances. > > Ms > > > Hovsepian didn't say the mainframe is dying; she said a lot of banks > > > (repeat banks) are considering (repeat considering) moving to the > cloud. > > > > > > (To be fair, it sounds like she made the same mistake. "Why the > > readiness > > > to 'swipe left' on their mainframe and COBOL applications?", she asks > in > > a > > > throwaway inference.) > > > > > > --- > > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > > > /* Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one after > > > another. */ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > Behalf > > > Of Bill Johnson > > > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:27 > > > > > > Bull. > > > > > > https://www.flynetviewer.com/blog/20220922/global-mainframe-market-projected-grow-318-billion-2029 > > > > > > --- On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 4:03 AM, Jack Zukt <jzuk...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > Whatever the agenda of the writer, it still is something that is > > > happening, mostly, I think, because of IBM's SW pricing strategy. > > > > > > --- On Fri, May 19, 2023, 20:14 Mark Regan <marktre...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2023/03/31/are-banks > > > > -breaking-up-with-mainframes/?sh=acb458b6bccc > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > -- > > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
