Good point. I'm out. On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 8:13 AM Jay Maynard <jaymayn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Get a room, you two. > > On Mon, May 22, 2023 at 7:10 AM zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Right, but there are other facilities, and the article isn't about > > mainframes, it's about AI and chips in general. RIF. > > > > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 11:18 PM Bill Johnson < > > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > lol, did you read the article? The Hudson Valley and Poughkeepsie are > > > where IBM has most of their mainframe engineering and manufacturing. > > > Poughkeepsie is in the Hudson Valley. > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 10:58 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nothing here says it's investing in POK, or in mainframe technology. > RIF. > > > > > > And the tired stats about 71% of Fortune whatever using mainframes may > or > > > may not be current, and don't prove anything about growth. All you have > > to > > > do is be awake to see that it's fading. Not fast--nobody thinks it's > dead > > > or even necessarily dying yet. But it's NOT growing as a platform by > the > > > meaningful metrics of users, applications, customer investment beyond > > > keeping what they have alive. > > > > > > Seriously, take a look around. You want it to be one way; that doesn't > > mean > > > it is. I've tried to convince myself otherwise for years, finally had > to > > > admit it wasn't happening. > > > > > > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 8:00 PM Bill Johnson < > > > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > IDK, if POK is shrinking, why is IBM investing 20 billion there? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/news/2022/10/05/ibm-to-announce-tech-investment-during-biden-visit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 7:04 PM, zMan <zedgarhoo...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Note that "fewer mainframes" doesn't refer to fewer boxes. It refers > to > > > far > > > > fewer SITES. Yes, there's consolidation in some industries; there > still > > > > aren't any NEW sites. You assert "IBM keeps new customers under > wraps" > > > but > > > > if you talk to IBMers, there aren't any to keep under wraps. More > > wishful > > > > thinking, I'm afraid. Unless your contention is that they're kept so > > > secret > > > > that the people who support them don't know about them... > > > > > > > > There might have been 3K folks listed as working in POK 15 months > ago. > > > IBM > > > > just RIFfed another 7,000. Given that it was at least five years ago > > that > > > > IBM was down to 25,000 domestic employees, I doubt there are 3K left > in > > > POK > > > > by a long shot, but it's possible. If so, they aren't very busy, at > > least > > > > not with zSystems stuff. In any case, ask anyone who's been there > > lately: > > > > the build floor is empty. > > > > > > > > I've said it before, but some people don't seem to hear it, so I'll > > > repeat: > > > > I'm not anti-mainframe. I've been making my living off it for over > four > > > > decades, and while retirement is within view, I'm not there yet. I > > would > > > > like it to be healthy and growing; all the real evidence points the > > other > > > > way, no matter what IBM press releases may state. > > > > > > > > P.S. Sorry, Dave, zOSMF doesn't count. It's a tool. Nobody is > > installing > > > a > > > > mainframe so they can run it. We don't buy computers to run tools or > > > > operating systems: we buy them to run applications. Big difference. > > > > > > > > On Sat, May 20, 2023 at 2:17 PM Bill Johnson < > > > > 00000047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > > > > > > > The facts are readily available. Mainframe growth is undeniable. > And > > > will > > > > > be for decades to come. Will weak banks foolishly buy what airline > > > > > magazines are selling? Of course. Bad decisions are made in the > > > business > > > > > world daily. Ms Hovsepian should be more concerned with her company > > > > > (Microfocus part) desperately trying to reverse engineer CICS so > they > > > can > > > > > justify their decision to partner with Amazon Web Services. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 1:42 PM, Bob Bridges < > > robhbrid...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Bill, you said "bull", which I misunderstood to mean that you > > disagree. > > > > > But the article you posted in support of that opinion (or whatever > it > > > is) > > > > > doesn't contradict the OP's article. > > > > > > > > > > I'm just guessing here, but maybe you've been arguing with those > > > > > mainframe-is-dying folks so long that you no longer notice the > > nuances. > > > > Ms > > > > > Hovsepian didn't say the mainframe is dying; she said a lot of > banks > > > > > (repeat banks) are considering (repeat considering) moving to the > > > cloud. > > > > > > > > > > (To be fair, it sounds like she made the same mistake. "Why the > > > > readiness > > > > > to 'swipe left' on their mainframe and COBOL applications?", she > asks > > > in > > > > a > > > > > throwaway inference.) > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > > > > > > > /* Perseverance is not a long race; it is many short races one > after > > > > > another. */ > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On > > > Behalf > > > > > Of Bill Johnson > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 20, 2023 10:27 > > > > > > > > > > Bull. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://www.flynetviewer.com/blog/20220922/global-mainframe-market-projected-grow-318-billion-2029 > > > > > > > > > > --- On Saturday, May 20, 2023, 4:03 AM, Jack Zukt < > jzuk...@gmail.com > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > Whatever the agenda of the writer, it still is something that is > > > > > happening, mostly, I think, because of IBM's SW pricing strategy. > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, May 19, 2023, 20:14 Mark Regan <marktre...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesfinancecouncil/2023/03/31/are-banks > > > > > > -breaking-up-with-mainframes/?sh=acb458b6bccc > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > > > > -- > > zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > Jay Maynard > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- zMan -- "I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it" ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
