We've tried for many years via different methods but IBM has been adamant in refusing to consider it. IBM did include a variation of TSO Pipes with Netview (never used it so don't know much more) because of the obvious process improvements provided by it.
A decent, open-source, alternative would be wonderful. On Mon, Jan 13, 2025 at 12:11 PM Rick Troth <[email protected]> wrote: > > no no ... they DON'T give it away! Never have. Never will. And I didn't > mean to suggest that. > > Someone managed to get CMS Pipelines included with base VM in the early > 1990s. Dunno who that was but I'd like to buy him or her a beer ... and > not just at SCIDS. > Customers have been clamoring for TSO Pipelines similarly included with > base MVS ever since. And why not? > > YES, "they" developed the full product and YES, they rightly should get > compensated. > > Fact is, CMS/TSO Pipelines is the brainchild of >one< man, John Hartmann > (thus we sometimes call it "Hartmann Pipes"). > No doubt hundreds of others contributed, but (speculating from the > outside) it's not like it chewed up the entire budget of (e.g.) the > Hursley lab. > > Sorry, a solid capitalist who thinks customers should get their money's > worth. IBM would do well to invest in z/OS by including TSO Pipelines. > > This stuff has been in development since the early 1980s. > > > -- R; <>< > > > On 1/13/25 12:47 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: > > <snark>Right, someone else should give it away. ~I~ don't want to develop > > the full product and then not charge for it, but IBM should.</snark> > > > > Sorry, just the capitalist in me sniping a little. > > > > --- > > Bob Bridges, [email protected], cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study > > mathematics and philosophy. My sons ought to study mathematics and > > philosophy, geography, natural history, naval architecture, navigation, > > commerce, and agriculture, in order to give their children a right to study > > painting, poetry, music, architecture, statuary, tapestry, and porcelain. > > -John Adams */ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of > > Rick Troth > > Sent: Monday, January 13, 2025 12:10 > > > > CMS/TSO Pipelines (with a common codebase) is one of the most powerful > > productivity tools in the industry. There have been several attempts to > > bring this capability to other platforms, including some attempts to > > provide a no-charge alternative on TSO. (C'mon, IBM, the up-charge is > > killin us!! Stop nickel-and-diming your customers.) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > -- R; <>< > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website:https://github.com/lbdyck "Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are." - John Wooden ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
