Everyone knows 13 is open, 14 is close, 37 is space. And I didn’t need to know assembler for that. I took an assembler class in college and never used it in over 40 years.
Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, February 10, 2026, 3:20 PM, Dick Williams <[email protected]> wrote: I already don’t have to listen to the nonsense. Retirement is sweet. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, February 8, 2026, 9:32 PM, Doug Fuerst <[email protected]> wrote: Sorry, its like riding a bike. If you can't get it back really quickly, then maybe you never really knew it. I managed for 14 or 15 years, then went back to being technical as a consultant. Took me maybe a week to be functional. I just think all of this is silly. And I am glad that in a few years I won't have to listen to this nonsense anymore. Doug Fuerst ------ Original Message ------ >From "Steve Thompson" <[email protected]> To [email protected] Date 2/8/2026 20:56:13 PM Subject Re: Trade Union >Brian: > >You have made a point that I agree with and am guilty of. I can write ALC for >exits, SVCs, etc. But I haven't installed z/OS since 1.6. I haven't had the >need to do an IOCDS (or whatever it is called today) for over 10 years. But I >have written SMP/E because of being a developer. And as a result have done >APARs and PTFs, and have written the install doc. > >I would love to get into some kind of class to get my z/OS install skills back >up. > >And I think I had said earlier that we need to do re-cert after some period, >because our skills get rusty, like mine are. > >Regards, >Steve Thompson > >On 2/7/2026 4:53 PM, Brian Westerman wrote: >>This is just my 2 cents worth so hopefully no one will be outraged by my >>comments, but why would anyone be excluded from certification? I know >>electricians that have been doing electrical work that I would not trust to >>change a light bulb. But the ones that have been certified tend to be a >>completely different (and better) class. I have known, and still do, many >>"Systems Programmers" that have over 25 years of "experience" that don't have >>what I would consider basic systems programming skills. In a gathering of >>systems programmers, if you ask how many know assembler well enough to write >>an exit, not many hands will go up. If you ask how many have actually >>installed z/OS with z/OSMF or Serverpac, you would likely get the same >>result. You might ask if it is fair to be excluded just because you don't >>yet know assembler or have had the "chance" to install z/OS but if you want >>to have a certification, then you have to establish the minimum requirements >>and guarantee that everyone who obtains that certification meets them. >> >>If you establish a standard that you could create a certification for, then >>allowing those that should easily be able to pass the certification out of >>even taking the "test" is silly. It would cheapen the meaning of being >>"certified". There should be requirements to maintain the certification as >>well. Just because you learned how to do something 27 years ago doesn't mean >>you can do it now, nor that you can do it well enough to demand a premium >>price to be paid to perform that work. >> >>Brian >> >>On Fri, 6 Feb 2026 14:45:19 -0600, Steve Beaver <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>>How many of the US Consultants would be open to creating at trade union >>> >>>With the specific proviso that everyone with over 25 years' experience >>> >>>Would be excluded from getting certified but could go get certifications >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>Steve Beaver >>> >>> >>> >>><mailto:[email protected]> [email protected] >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >>>send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [email protected] with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
