On Sep 17, 2013, at 1:39 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote:
Ed Gould writes:
The 90 day trial program (to me) sounds like a shady car dealer from
the wrong side of town.
The term "test drive" has its etymology in the vehicle buying
process, new
and used, as I understand it. "Trial" is not so often applied to that
process. ("Would you like to trial the new Fiat 500?" That's at
least much
less common usage of the word trial.)
Simply put, we *DON'T* have such animals [Java programs on z/OS].
Nor will we in the foreseeable future.
There are no possible business justifications that would lead to
implementing Java programs on z/OS? No matter what the benefits, no
matter
what the business requirements your users and customers have, as
long as
you're around it'll never happen. Am I understanding you correctly,
or am I
misinterpreting you?
Zero, nada... we don't use JAVA and don't have people that speak/
write/understand it and no foreseeable need of it.
Relatedly, prophetically, is John Gilmore correct? :-)
But that wasn't actually the point I was trying to make. I'll try
again.
Whether *you* have Java programs running on z/OS or not, the fact
is that
*all* z/OS customers running Java programs on z/OS have no particular
issues creating, testing, deploying, and managing their
applications with
the PDSE prerequisite. And that's been going on for many years.
COBOL and
Java are programming languages, both excellent. What makes COBOL so
different in this respect? Why are all the z/OS customers running Java
programs getting their jobs done with PDSEs? What makes them
different and
special? What's the secret to their successes, and why wouldn't
their PDSE
experiences apply equally to COBOL?
So you are essentially saying screw 80 percent of the user base.
*EVEN* if we did have need for them [PDSEs] currently the issue of
cross system use would be a major stumbling block (as others have
noted).
Yes, duly noted, many times. PDSEs are different, stipulated.
(Helpfully
IBM added the E.) So how would you surmount this major stumbling
block, and
how would you advise others to do the same? Assume that "do
nothing" is off
the table, and PDSEs will get implemented -- fantasize if that's
required.
What are the best ways to go about it?
I'll give you another "stumbling block." Enterprise COBOL 5.1 does not
support z900/z800 (and prior) model generations and does not
support z/OS
releases prior to 1.13. What if you don't satisfy those
prerequisites? You
can't run Enterprise COBOL 5.1. What's the solution? Upgrade at
least to a
minimum supported model and z/OS release to satisfy the
prerequisites. But
doesn't upgrading require doing something? Yup.
So why upgrade.. essentially for one minor item that is not needed..
Sounds like a sales pitch given by the devil. Buy it or else. Since
there is no compelling reason we won't buy it. It also smacks of IBM
dictating that everyone must buy. Its one thng to say the OS needs it
but one minor player its going to be triple the bother of yet another
upgrade just to keep ahead of the Jones.
1 small "feature" does not a sale make.
Ed
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