Thanks to everybody's input.   However, I still don't have a firm answer.  What 
is the maximum amount of cylinders should I be able to allocate for a VSAM DSN 
without having to make it EXTENDED.

Would this be the same critera for OAM dsns as well?

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On Wed, 10/22/14, Roberto <baro...@tin.it> wrote:

 Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT VSAM / VSAM EXTENDED
 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
 Received: Wednesday, October 22, 2014, 9:09 AM
 
 Hi to every,
 NO!
 A VSAM with CIsize of 4096 can use only 12 block on every
 tracks
 so in a cyls is possible to write 4096*12*15 => 
 737.280 byte or 720KB
 4GB are 4294967296 byte / 737280 are about 5825 cyls (or
 87381 tracks)
 
 Remember the space limit of 65536 track on every volume for
 any dsn not 
 in extended format. (about 4369 cyls)
 
 I hope this clarify some requirement of VSAM on dasd
 Best Regards
 Roberto
 
 Il 22/10/2014 14:40, Chase, John ha scritto:
 >> -----Original Message-----
 >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of
 John Eells
 >>
 >>> What is the maximum number of cyclinders that
 can be used to define a dsn that is not VSAM EXTENDED.
 >> I think it is 4400 cylinders.  I was trying to
 allocate a dsn at 4500 4500 but I kept on abending with
 >> IGD17273I ALLOCATION HAS FAILED FOR ALL
 VOLUMES........
 >>> Finally I was able to allocate the dsn at
 CYL(4350 4350).
 >> z/OS DFSMS Using Data Sets documents maximum data
 set sizes, including limits for both extended format
 >> and nonextended format VSAM data sets, in Topic
 1.3.2.3. It says that nonextended VSAM data sets have
 >> a limit of 4GB*.
 >>
 >> (4GB* / 56664 / 15) = 5,053 cylinders
 (approximately)
 >>
 >> [ snip ]
 >>
 >> * I believe that is most likely GiB for the
 pedantic among us.
 > IIRC, DASD capacities are expressed in decimal, rather
 than binary, quantities:
 >
 > 4KB = 4,000 bytes;
 > 4MB = 4,000,000 bytes;
 > 4GB = 4,000,000,000 bytes;
 > Etc.
 >
 >      -jc-
 >
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