Right. My (now long gone, I fear) VIOTOES presentation majored on (the then new) DFSMS implementation. In particular ACS Routines and VIOMAXSIZE.
But I still thought you had to have some VIO devices defined. Cheers, Martin Sent from my iPad > On 19 May 2016, at 22:53, Gibney, David Allen <gib...@wsu.edu> wrote: > > Very, Very early in implementing SMS (the minimal implementation) is managing VIO. > > Since we've been SMS for a long time, there aren't even any devices in our EDT(s) for VIO > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Norman.Hollander >> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 2:45 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: What was a 3314? (was: Whither VIO) >> >> Maybe a bunch of JCL with UNIT=VIO is a cause to make you fuss? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL >> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:18 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: What was a 3314? (was: Whither VIO) >> >> Memory is abundant in most shops and cheap overall. So, why all fuss about >> VIO? Make s decision, implement it, forget it. >> >> -teD >> Original Message >> From: Norman.Hollander >> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 12:19 >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Reply To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List >> Subject: Re: What was a 3314? (was: Whither VIO) >> >> Track size. We actually used to use a 2305 "drum" definition for VIO. But if >> you genned 1 dummy address, you had to gen all 8. Made for a larger IO-gen. >> So we would go for the next best tracksize of the 2314. So- how many 4K >> pages fit into a track without wasting too much of it? Plus the 2314 was small, >> so quick sorts in VIO might be possible, but it prevented sorting a kabillion >> records. I'm pretty sure 2305 support was removed a long time ago, so you >> couldn't define it today. Probably true for the 2311/2314/2319. Last time I >> went through IODF, a fake 3390 (address DEFF) was defined as the only VIO >> capable device. With all the various Sort and Memory exits today, it's >> probably just a good history lesson. Oh- way back in the 70s, a company >> named Ampex (IIRC) made look alike (aka cheaper) memory and Disk storage. >> Think their mountable disk was the 3314. OK- discuss further... >> >> zNorman >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Martin Packer >> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:45 PM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: What was a 3314? (was: Whither VIO) >> >> >> It's sort of come back to me: >> >> A small track size limits the virtual storage window (probably usually below >> the line in 1989 when I looked at this). Or it might've been cylinder. But I >> think it was track. >> >> I'm wondering if anyone else remembers something like this. >> >> Cheers, Martin >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On 19 May 2016, at 05:20, Edward Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net> >> wrote: >> >>>> On May 18, 2016, at 7:50 PM, Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> >> wrote: >>>> >>>> I remember them well. I was answering Steve's two implied questions. >>>> >>>> 2321 was certainly characterized as DASD. It was indeed a direct >>>> access >> storage device. Not a disk, but DASD nonetheless. Certainly not magnetic >> tape (though it had a family resemblance!) and certainly not unit record. >>> >>> It addressing had MMBBCCHHR(R?) so I guess you could address it directly. >> Anyone remember how to do that? (progr5amming for a 2321 is a lost art >> (where is Seymour?). >>> >>> Ed >>> >>>> >>>> I don't think anyone recalls a 3314. I think the OP said it was a >>>> typo, >> 2314 mis-remembered as 3000-series DASD. >>>> >>>> Charles >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM- >> m...@listserv.ua.edu] >>>> On >> Behalf Of Edward Gould >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 5:33 PM >>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>> Subject: Re: What was a 3314? (was: Whither VIO) >>>> >>>> Chales, >>>> >>>> 2321 was a data cell (magnetic strip) hardly could be called DASD) I >> don’t recall a 3314 . The removable 3340 (not sure the number anyone?) >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>>> On May 16, 2016, at 7:47 PM, Charles Mills <charl...@mcn.org> >> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2301, 2321. >>>>> CharlesSent from a mobile; please excuse the brevity >>>>> >>>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>>> From: Steve Thompson <ste...@copper.net> >>>>> Date: 05/16/2016 4:51 PM (GMT-08:00) >>>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>>>> Subject: Re: What was a 3314? (was: Whither VIO) >>>>> >>>>> 2314, 2419, 2311, these are just a few of the "IBM" DASD that I've >>>>> had the pleasure of working with. 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