> We can dismiss TSO as a simple tool with no special comic book powers. But > try to get anything useful done without it
BTDT,GTTS. You'd be amazed at what you can do without TSO. Some easy options come to mind: 1. Wylbur 2. A virtual card reader under z/VM 3. ZZSA Of course, once you fix your VTAM problem, you can go back to TSO, which is convenient. But, as the camel says, TMTOWTDI. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> on behalf of PINION, RICHARD W. <rpin...@firsttennessee.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 2:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Submitting batch if you don't have TSO Been there, done that. Fortunately, the company still had a card reader and a card punch, lat 1980's. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 1:59 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Submitting batch if you don't have TSO [External Email] This reminds me of the tale I related recently about having to revive a data center 400 miles away after VTAM got broken in a sysres switch. It seems so simple to 'run a job to rename a data set'. But if you cannot logon to a system, how will that job get submitted? If you are clever enough to have a mechanism like 'S JOB,JOBNAME=XXX', how will you edit up the IDCAMS control statements you need in job XXX? Or whatever else it would take to accomplish what one minute of TSO activity could achieve? We can dismiss TSO as a simple tool with no special comic book powers. But try to get anything useful done without it. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2019 10:15 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Submitting batch if you don't have TSO On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 10:58:58 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >LOL. What gave me that idea is sheer, unadulterated ignorance. I came >into the mainframe world through applications development. I was given >a solid grounding in JCL back in the beginning of my training, decades >ago; to me "INTRDR" is an argument that I can include in my JCL with >the TSO SUBMIT command. (Or, as someone else pointed out, using FTP.) > An alternative might be might be as simple as: //STEP EXEC PGM=IEBGENER //SYSUT2 DD SYSOUT=(,INTRDR),... As I follow this thread, I wonder why CICS doesn't submit batch jobs with the credentials of the requesting individual rather than the CICS region. -- gil ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN EXCITING NEWS! Beginning this fall, First Tennessee will become First Horizon. Learn more: thenewfirsthorizon.com Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
