I will try Python, not unlike its superior language PL/I. <smirk>. I can handle the poorer syntax (just).
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:00 PM Wayne Bickerdike <wayn...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dave Crayford asks: "Take the dinosaur test. Do you use Git?" > > I do and the z/OS port is something I'm trying to get younger guys to use > at our shop. > > I can't even get limited use of SCLM in to our guys modus operandi, > something I've used for a number of years. > > We used to use Subversion for management of our code under early versions > of Eclipse. One reason I don't upgrade certain machines is that so much > stuff breaks on o/s upgrades, I use what worked in 2008 (Windows Vista). > Now that Win 7 is written off, I have one Win 10 machine, the rest are olde > but newer than my car. Fortunately the car works fine and parts are > available. > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:53 PM David Crayford <dcrayf...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I agree. I'm not knocking ISPF! I use it a lot, mainly SDSF as I use GUI >> editors. The rest of the time I spend in a UNIX terminal shell using a >> CLI. For a lot of tasks ISPF is the best tool for the job. >> >> BTW, calling a mainframer a dinosaur is not commonly considered an insult >> ;) >> >> On 2020-03-30 10:36 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: >> > Not all change is progress. I like to be an early adopter, but if the >> latest thing on the block is garbage then call me a dynosaur - I won't use >> it voluntarily. If an old language or old tool suits my needs, I won't drop >> it just because it's out of fashion. ISPF have flaws, but they also have >> strengths; I will continue to use them when it makes sense to do so. >> Amusingly enough, some of the "modern" software that I'm supposed to put up >> with is itself pretty long in the tooth. >> > >> > Note; I don't like Perl syntax, but I use it anyway - because it offers >> me enough that I'm willing to put up with it. >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz >> > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 >> > >> > ________________________________________ >> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on >> behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] >> > Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2020 10:08 PM >> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> > Subject: Re: strange python announcement >> > >> > On 2020-03-30 2:43 AM, Charles Mills wrote: >> >>> There's no advantage to REXX anymore, as fine a language as it is. >> >> is not entirely true, right? Three advantages of Rexx would be native >> support of EBCDIC, native support of xSAM, and straightforward invocation >> from TSO? Right? >> >> >> >> Again, not trying to pick a fight, just trying to understand. >> >> >> >> Here's my motivation: I am trying to avoid dinosaurization. I am >> trying to answer the questions "am I being an old fuddy-duddy for sticking >> with Rexx over Python? Should I make an effort to embrace Python for the >> tasks where I now tend to turn to Rexx?" >> > Take the dinosaur test. Do you use Git? >> > >> >> And it sounds like the answer is No. Whatever dinosaurism I exhibit is >> in sticking with TSO and ISPF, not in sticking with Rexx. (For what it's >> worth, when I speak with customer personnel, 100% of them, to a man or >> woman, seems to assume the computer world revolves around TSO for sysprogs >> and batch for production -- so it makes sense for me to be most conversant >> with those environments.) >> > Is that a stereotype? I see a lot of young people working on mainframes >> > (boths sysprogs and applications guys) who use modern tooling. The >> > editor of choice is vscode with plugins >> > >> https://secure-web.cisco.com/1eIMQVsY7papmDtxqCBNMtk8g2ijtX3gdC-KYp-U82BZB_h_XlDZr0OaMObgz7nd8eXAc-jU8QAEt7woLv9kmVJDrSSIdqzDkCWmphIKeQlM_Ps9C3kTjHGVqlHyN1nRHilDZkF0vOf6lhMBgJjMtxofAu5JLIFLg-LtgkKSJrV2tbphEqczI0V7DjOhJl9Yktdsu127NS0ya86Ov4_v514dAIc8m40U7UHmbzQC3qcJfvPjP_1UgWuyuCgpNdnIaYrFL4-wD3BLCFp5gB7nTJ4xroq46UF88qrnKX268AWvKt_Y6DJ3oH2YbA7nDF8aO4s3hgJ4vPRwp9-I9lj73IVkvMD8HAWDWmh6NR7z40htLyMbTNcps78RxBjzs-QRw-OYb24MS1znrVMOx6MtPgP_A4paM-tyyf_Yw9dUNvAAibKMUQgFpErMz916saybS6pB7JqkgzrhbPeeSoAz6Qw/https%3A%2F%2Fibm.github.io%2Fzopeneditor-about%2F >> . >> > You can deploy editor instances on the cloud using Eclipse Che with a >> > web based UI. The mainframe has to keep up with the pace of >> > modernization or it will slowly wither on the vine as no young person >> > will want to work on it. >> > The editor is just an example. Languages and tools are just as important >> > as the IDE. >> > >> > >> >> It also sounds like learning Python would not be a bad thing, but that >> it would probably make more sense to become familiar first on an >> interactive ASCII platform, and then perhaps bring the skills I learn there >> to Z -- rather than starting out by trying to solve Z problems in an >> unfamiliar environment with an unfamiliar language. 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