On 7/23/2025 10:25 AM, Allen Robinson wrote:
Can you point to the specific section that you are referring to, if it's not section 2.2?


          2.3.
          
<https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gondwana-dkim2-motivation-03.html#section-2.3>A
          signed bounce format, sent in reverse along the same path
          
<https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-gondwana-dkim2-motivation-03.html#name-a-signed-bounce-format-sent>


    By having the mail-from address be signed and aligned to the
    signing domain...



My understanding is that there are two separate alignment requirements. From section 2.2:

1) For signature chains with exactly one signature, the signature's domain and the domain in the 5322.From must be aligned.

   By having the initial signature be from the domain aligned to the
   From or Sender header...
What is strange about this text is that there is nothing in the current work that I've seen using the Sender field.

   (Historical note:  Domainkeys used Sender:, not From:.)

The reality with DMARC and therefore with the current work's attempt to approximate/remedy/replace DMARC is that it forces the functional semantics of From: to be what Sender: was defined to mean.  This has serious negative effects on end-user experience.


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