OOPs forgot one criteria,

* There is no valid signature

:-)

I think that there will be a lot of value in the 'no I mean it' modifier in the 
next couple of years. Eventually I hope we can fix the relays and everyone can 
mean it.

Another semantic difference is that if I see someone claiming to be a target of 
phishing and I see fake messages I am likely to want to report them.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Atkins
> Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 4:32 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [ietf-dkim] user level ssp
> 
> 
> On Sep 7, 2006, at 12:54 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
> 
> >
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Atkins
> >
> >> On Sep 7, 2006, at 12:28 PM, Hallam-Baker, Phillip wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Levine
> >>>
> >>> Mostly +1
> >>>
> >>> But there could be utility in the sender saying 'My email
> >> is at very
> >>> serious risk of being impersonated'.
> >>
> >> What is that utility? Please expand on what behaviour you 
> expect from 
> >> the recipient and how that will differ from the case where 
> the sender 
> >> does not say that.
> >
> > If I know that you are a self declared target of phishing 
> and that the 
> > consequences of letting a phish go through are considerably more 
> > serious than a random impersonation spam I can adjust my 
> spam filters 
> > accordingly.
> >
> > In particular I would expect to filter out ALL mail 
> automatically in 
> > the case that ALL the following apply:
> >
> >   * The sender ALWAYS signs
> >   * The sender declares themselves to be at risk of phishing attack
> >   * The content is HTML
> >   * There are URIs in the body of the text message
> >   * The message has not been forwarded by a previously noted 
> > intermediary.
> 
> How does that differ from the case where:
> 
>    * The sender ALWAYS signs
>    * The content is HTML
>    * There are URIs in the body of the text message
>    * The message has not been forwarded by a previously noted 
> intermediary.
> 
> I guess that the real question is  what's the difference 
> between "I always sign"
> and "I always sign and I get phished"?
> 
> The impression I'm getting, from several people, is that "I 
> always sign" is already being written off as likely to be 
> ignored by recipients and that there needs to be a "No, I 
> really mean it!" modifier?
> 
> Cheers,
>    Steve
> 
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