On May 26, 2010, at 9:14 AM, Brett McDowell wrote:

> I respectfully disagree with you.  
> 
> We *were* a special case.  Soon we will not be a special case because ADSP 
> will enable all mailbox providers, if they choose, to do for others what they 
> have historically done for us.  That's the big win that only ADSP could ever 
> enable.
> 
> Apparently such an announcement is going to come as a surprise to many of you 
> on this list, but it shouldn't.  It's the logical conclusion of the ADSP work.

I'm big on concrete examples. So how does your logical conclusion deal with 
these two situations?

   $ host -t txt _adsp._domainkey.paypaI.me
   _adsp._domainkey.paypaI.me descriptive text "dkim=discardable"

   $ host -t txt _adsp._domainkey.paypal.com
   _adsp._domainkey.paypal.com descriptive text "dkim=discardable"

Cheers,
 Steve


> 
> -- Brett
> 
> 
> 
> On May 26, 2010, at 11:55 AM, John Levine wrote:
> 
>>> Problem = phishing
>>> Utility = just one sender + two mailbox providers have blocked over
>>> 100 million phishing attacks, many of those blocks also resulted in
>>> site take-downs.
>> 
>>> The value of what we already have from your efforts in IETF is HUGE
>> for consumer protection.
>> 
>> I believe this is a big win for DKIM, which I hope we can tell the world
>> about.
>> 
>> It has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with ADSP, since the two mailbox
>> providers are (quite reasonably) treating paypal and ebay as a special
>> case.
>> 
>>> It could be even more useful with the kind of tweaks I've suggested
>>> for MLM's... and probably a few more flags/states for ADSP.
>> 
>> We've gone around enough times why this would be bad for Paypal and
>> bad for everyone else, so I'll stop now.
>> 
>> R's,
>> John
>> 
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