On Wednesday, September 01, 2010 08:23:19 am John Levine wrote:
> >> At this point, unless we can cut back the MLM document to stick to
> >> items that we have consensus about, e.g., that it is typical for
> >> signatures applied to incoming mail not to verify after a message
> >> passes through an MLM, and that it would be nice if a list or its MTA
> >> signed its outgoing mail, I don't think we will produce anything that
> >> is useful to anyone.
> >
> >If that's all we can say, I'd say don't bother.  I don't see much value in
> >the DKIM working group saying it thinks mail should be signed by DKIM.
> 
> "e.g." means "such as" or "for example."
> 
> I expect there's a fair amount we agree on.  Maybe it's enough to be
> worth documenting, maybe not, but I think it would be more productive
> to see what we agree on rather than trying to force our pet projects
> into the document.
> 
> I'll cheerfully give up references to S/MIME, if other people will
> give up on telling software developers how to rewrite MLMs to do
> things they've never done before.
> 
> Don't forget that an experimental RFC is the accepted way to document
> a paper design to see if it gets any traction, as the EAI group did
> with various ways to represent non-ASCII e-mail addresses.

Since things to do to get signatures to survive on mailing lists doesn't seem 
to be on your list of stuff we agree on, what else is?  I know you said e.g., 
but given what I understand you to not agree on, I'm not sure what else is 
left.

Scott K
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