> But, more to the point, I am referring to the general reticence of > non-IETF groups to use the IETF methods and processes in their own > work related to developing standards for code for use on the Internet. > > However, I know of a few others that have adopted the IETF WG > processes, and I consider this a good thing to be happening. In > fact, I strongly encourage it. > And even lead the charge from time to time. stef - historically, the ietf process worked because it was well-suited to the competence of the personalities involved. adopting ietf-like processes may be necessary, but it isn't sufficient, unless, of course, adopting ietf-like processes introduces a darwinian selection for the historical ietf-like personalities. ymmv. mo and lloyd have made several cogent arguments explaining the current disconnect, viz. the opes stuff. of course, opes isn't to blame, per se, this is just the latest instance of a mismatch of expectations. perhaps, as noted earlier, the turning point was when wg's were chartered to do requirements documents instead of protocol documents. perhaps the problem is even earlier... /mtr
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