Andy,

I believe that comments on proposed new WGs are also very critical,
since they determine where the IETF puts its resources. So if there
was to be a split, I would put Last Call *and* WG Review comments
both on the new list. I just doubt that it will get rid of the noise;
I have about 50 filters to do that for me.

   Brian

Andy Bierman wrote:
> 
> At 09:29 AM 11/19/2001 +0100, Brian E Carpenter wrote:
> >Andy,
> >
> >I don't see how this will help. The nonsense messages will still come,
> >from the usual sources, often copied to both lists, which will only
> >increase the level of annoyance.
> 
> IETF Last Call is a critical part of the Standards Process.
> It's our last chance to do a cross-domain sanity check on
> new technology, and give this input to the IESG, before
> they decide to approve a standard or not.
> 
> These critical emails comprise less than 1 percent of
> the traffic on the IETF list. (My unscientific survey says...)
> I wouldn't characterize the other 99% as pure noise, maybe just 95%.
> 
> I know of several longtime IETFers who ignore this list because
> of S/N ratio is so bad.  If there was a [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list,
> more people might make Last Call comments.  People who
> post off-topic messages will be shouted off the list and
> if they keep doing it, they will be blocked from posting.
> 
> Andy
> 
> >[Splitting the -announce list doesn't have this disadvantage.]
> >
> >   Brian
> >
> >Andy Bierman wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I would like the IESG to consider splitting this list into 2 lists.
> >> One list for discussion of Last Call issues and another for
> >> everything else (including minor stuff like splitting the
> >> IETF-Announce or IETF lists :-)
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> Andy

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