"Dean Anderson" Would you give it a rest already? Take your issue(s) up with the appropriate person(s) in a separate, mutually exclusive thread, and stop blasting the IETF list.
I'm sure you'll be unable to contain yourself and blast yet, another message out, about how everyone else is wrong, and you have the ideas which lead us to the wonderland of end all. Therein lies the problem. Your continued replies are a surefire way to test my "poignant 'stuff' from "Dean Anderson" to ignore" ...."rule". Cheers- Jasen -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean Anderson Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 2004 10:34 AM To: Mark Durham Cc: Michel Py; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Email account utilization warning. Mark, To fool people, the "phish" has to be plausible. In this case, people have come to expect capricious behavior from the IETF and so the "phishing" claim of turning off email capriciously isn't out of the realm of the expected behavior. People saw the IETF do it before, and expect it might might happen again. "Dean Anderson" is not the topic: The IETF principles are the topic; The IETF rules are the topic; The misbehavior by people including the IETF leadership is the topic. Those who don't want to address the problems try to portray this as about Dean Anderson, or about Dan Bernstein, or about whoever else is being abused at the moment. It's not about Dean Anderson; It's not about Dan Bernstein; Its not those other innocent people defamed and disparaged by a select few abusers. Its about abusive behavior by a select group, and the willfull, repeated, and perfidious failure of the leadership to address the abuse, and the participation by the leadership in the abuse. It should not be too much to ask that the IETF Leadership follow the IETF rules and the IETF principles. Is that too much to ask? When the leadership acts capriciously, frivolously, perfidiously and acts contrary to the rules and principles of the IETF, this behavior is observed by others. These things don't happen in a vacuum. The complaints of Dean Anderson, or Dan Bernstein, or of anyone else do not bring dishonor to the IETF. Only the behavior by the leadership brings disrespect and dishonor to the IETF. And we see the effects of that: People come to expect capricious behavior from the IETF and so the "phishing" premise isn't out of the realm of the expected behavior. People saw the IETF do it before, and expect it might might happen again. Solve the problem: Obey the IETF principles and rules. Then such "phishes" will be out of character, and people would be more suspicious of such a "phish". As I said offlist to Mark Smith: From: Dean Anderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Mark Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Email account utilization warning. Because I have respect for the IETF, and its principles. It is the IETF leadership that is disgraceful. But it has been the desire of the leadership to run the IETF like a private club, and many people would be (and have been) driven off by their behavior. Someone, sometime has to stand up to them. --Dean On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Mark Smith wrote: > If you have such low respect for the IETF, why don't you just remove > yourself from all associated IETF mailing lists, and stop > "contributing" too them? On Wed, 7 Jul 2004, Mark Durham wrote: > Could we try to keep our narcissistic eye on the ball here? > > I realize that the only thing on this list that matters to you is you, > and normally I do what I imagine most of the list is doing: I suffer > your rants in silence. But recognizing this stuff is actually important, > and if there are people on the IETF list who don't, that's a situation > that cries out for attention. Please, for once, let's assume that you > are *not* the topic, and stay on whatever the topic actually is. You can > trot out your personal demons (or daemons, for that matter) under some > other subject line ... and, by all evidence, you certainly will. In the > meantime, let's not treat every message on this list as your personal > song cue. > > Is this really too much to ask? > _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
