--On Wednesday, 14 July, 2010 05:39 -0700 Dave CROCKER <d...@dcrocker.net> wrote:
> > > On 7/14/2010 2:10 AM, Randy Bush wrote: >> as to the network, how many people and times need to tell you >> that the ops team is unaware of anyone doing anything >> untoward with people's packets or other data? > How is that relevant? If no one had suggested either that someone might be capturing private data or tracking the contents of IETF network traffic for either evil purposes or unauthorized/ undocumented research on human subjects, we presumably wouldn't be having this discussion, relevant or not. My recollection is that the short-lived password sniffing and posting experiment was fairly well publicized in advance and that people with weak systems were warned to either upgrade or stay off the wireless network. That constituted a fairly clear "opt-out by doing something else" possibility (not very unlike the upcoming network access authentication issues), not a secret experiment. FWIW, my experience with the folks who have had long-term involvement with IETF networks is that they are far more sensitive to privacy and network integrity issues than the IETF average as well as investing a huge amount of time which the community often seems to not recognize and for which they are not thanked nearly often enough. The implication that they are somehow involved in, or turning a blind eye to, nefarious activities is very unfortunate. best, john _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf