Noel,

Given that each of us reads something different into the definition of 
HISTORIC, is there any hope that this thread will ever converge?

                                                                  Ron


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Noel Chiappa [mailto:j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu]
> Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 11:34 AM
> To: ietf@ietf.org
> Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu; v6...@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)
> 
>     > From: Ronald Bonica <rbon...@juniper.net>
> 
>     > RFC 2026's very terse definition of HISTORIC. According to RFC
> 2026,
>     > "A specification that has been superseded by a more recent
>     > specification or is for any other reason considered to be
> obsolete
>     > is assigned to the Historic level." That's the entire definition.
>     > Anything more is read into it.
>     > ...
>     > A more likely interpretation is as follows:
>     > "the IETF is not likely to invest effort in the technology in the
>     >         future"
>     > "the IETF does not encourage (or discourage) new deployments of
> this
>     >         technology.
> 
> But in giving other interpretations, are you thereby not comitting the
> exact error you call out above: "Anything more is read into it."?
> 
> To me, "Historic" has always (including pre-2026) meant just what the
> orginal meaning of the word is (caveat - see below) - something that is
> now likely only of interest to people who are looking into the history
> of
> networking. (The dictionary definition is "Based on or concerned with
> events in history".) I think "obsolete" is probably the best one-word
> description (and note that 'obsolete' != 'obsolescent').
> 
> (Caveat: technically, it probably should have been 'historical', not
> "historic" - "historic" actually means 'in the past, but very
> noteworthy',
> e.g.  'CYCLADES was a historic networking design', so not every
> historical
> protocol is historic.)
> 
>       Noel
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