On Aug 31, 2011, at 4:34 AM, Jari Arkko wrote: > Eric, John, > >> Would having professional editors make a difference here? > >>> I know it is controversial, but there is at least one other area >>> in which we should be raising the bar for DS/IS by dropping the >>> bar for Proposed. If we really want to get PS specs out quickly >>> while the percentage of people who easily write very high >>> quality technical English in the IETF continues to go down, we >>> need to stop the behavior of various IESG members simulating >>> technical editors or translators to "fix" PS text (or insisting >>> that the author or WG do so, which, IMO, is less bad but still >>> often a problem). > > I think the existing Discuss criteria already says very clearly that > editorial comments cannot be blocking DISCUSSes.
So nobody has the job of making sure that the documents are well-written in clear English? > Besides, we pay the RFC Editor a large amount of money every year to do the > editing. Documents need to be clear enough to be understood, but the RFC > editor can handle most of the editorial problems. If the document is edited for clarity after final review, that's really a botch in the process. It means that the review doesn't apply to the version of the document being published. Of course the RFC Editor's resources shouldn't be used for documents that aren't otherwise deemed worthy of publication, and you'd like to avoid the RFC Editor having to do multiple reviews, so I admit that this is tricky to solve. > (That being said, I've seen documents that were sent back because they really > were not understandable. Obviously there is some bar under which you should > not go, or the document cannot advance at all. This happens more in WG stages > than in the IESG. But if you can't communicate your idea clearly then I think > it should be up to you to hire co-workers/editors to help clarify your > idea... not the IETF's problem, IMHO.) If writing clear specifications isn't the IETF's problem, I'm not sure what is. Keith _______________________________________________ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf
