On Dec 2, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Joel jaeggli wrote:

> On 12/2/11 09:59 , Michael Richardson wrote:
>> 
>>> Ted, your response does not address what I said at all. Not
>>> one bit. Let's assume that *every* enterprise used every
>>> last address of 172.16/12 (and, for that matter ever bit of
>>> 1918 space). That's irrelevant and still does not address my
>>> question. The question is whether these addresses are used
>>> BY EQUIPMENT THAT CAN'T NAT TO IDENTICAL ADDRESSES ON THE
>>> EXTERIOR INTERFACE. I am happy to accept an answer of, "Yes,
>>> all 1918 address space is used by such equipment", but
>>> nobody, including you, has actually said that.
>> 
>> one reason enterprises use 172.16/12 for stuff is because that way,
>> when their VPNs come up with people's residents, they do not immediately
>> conflict with the LAN at the home/coffee shop, etc.
> 
> realistically a sufficiently large enterprise uses all of rfc 1918 in
> one form or another...

But (also realistically) a "sufficiently large enterprise" that uses all of 
RFC1918 is not going to be sitting behind a CGN...

W

> you're counting on to some extent the more
> specific route associated with the subnet leaving the covering vpn route
> unclobbered. sometimes however heroic work-arounds are required.
> 
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