IMO, IESG should have grounds to reject any document that isn't specifically 
authorized in a WG's charter.

- Keith

On May 15, 2013, at 10:55 AM, Ted Lemon <ted.le...@nominum.com> wrote:

> On May 15, 2013, at 10:41 AM, Keith Moore <mo...@network-heretics.com> wrote:
>>> The motivation for a particular feature of a protocol is not clear enough. 
>>> At the IESG review stage, protocols should not be blocked because they 
>>> provide capabilities beyond what seems necessary to acquit their 
>>> responsibilities.
>> 
>> I strongly disagree with what the NON-DISCUSS criteria say. DISCUSS isn't 
>> just for blocking documents.   And document quality is as important (in the 
>> sense that poor document quality can lead to as many interoperability or 
>> other problems) as technical correctness.
> 
> The interpretation of this particular NON-DISCUSS criterion that Joe has 
> given is simply wrong.   The key word to pay attention to to see the error is 
> "motivation."   The point of this criterion is to eliminate a very specific 
> sort of stall that has been known to happen in the past: the stall where the 
> AD doesn't understand why the document is being put forward at all, and 
> therefore blocks the document until the authors explain the motivation behind 
> the document to the satisfaction of the AD who is holding the DISCUSS.
> 
> This is a real issue that has created real problems in the past, and that is 
> why it is in the NON-DISCUSS criteria.   But this criterion _does not_ mean 
> that a criticism that the document itself is unclear is not a valid reason to 
> hold a DISCUSS on it.   In fact, it's an excellent reason to hold a DISCUSS 
> on it.   A lack of clarity in a document can result in it being implemented 
> incorrectly, or in the case of a BCP, interpreted incorrectly.   Or in 
> extreme cases, not read at all.   This is a bad outcome, worth spending time 
> on, even if the authors would rather be quit of it.
> 

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