On Jul 28, 2013, at 10:14 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin <petit...@acm.org> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 07/28/2013 09:47 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: >> >> On Jul 28, 2013, at 9:33 AM, Marc Petit-Huguenin <petit...@acm.org> wrote: >> >>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 >>> >>> On 07/28/2013 09:10 AM, Yoav Nir wrote: >>>> >>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 7:35 AM, Keith Moore <mo...@network-heretics.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 28, 2013, at 6:17 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 7/27/13 8:13 PM, Randy Bush wrote: >>>>>>> yup. i guess it is time for my quarterly suggestion to remove >>>>>>> the projectors and screens. >>>>>> >>>>>> Then I guess it's time for my quarterly "I'd be good with that." >>>>> >>>>> As would I. >>>> >>>> Me too, as long as we get whiteboards or flip-charts in their stead. >>> >>> What about people at the back of the room who cannot see what you write >>> on the whiteboard or flip-charts? (at least slides can be downloaded on >>> laptop/tablet if too far from the projection screen) >>> >>> What about people following remotely? >> >> There are some technological solutions, like electronic whiteboards, or >> cameras pointed at whiteboards/flipboards. Frame rate makes no difference. >> >> Work is done through conversation. If we use a presentation, the >> conversation is scripted. I, the presenter, say stuff. You, the audience, >> can only reply. When we collaborate to develop something at work, we hardly >> ever do it with a presentation. Presentations work best for tutorial and >> for showing proposals. >> >>> What about people who have difficulties understanding the speaker >>> without some sort of context? >> >> With some speakers, context doesn't help. Slides help bad enunciation. >> They usually don't help missing context. >> >>> What about being able to understand the problem that will be discussed >>> before the session, so to cut on the "thinking out loud" on the >>> microphone? >> >> That's what drafts are for. >> >>> Do you have a presentation during IETF 87? (I already checked that Randy, >>> Keith and Melinda do not). I would be really interested to see how >>> this could work. >> >> I have three. I don't get a flip-chart, so I do have slide-sets. There is >> one 5-minute thing that I'm going to do with hand-waving and no slides, >> but otherwise, I'm doing things the way that people expect them to be. > > I can not find your presentations in the agendas. Please tell me when they > are and I'll rent a flip-chart. There's one in IPsec. The other two are chairs slides in httpauth and websec. The former are not yet up.
