Hi Matt,

The backstory is that I'm trying to find which standards will define my 
samples, so I am pulling standards from different beamlines and years to get a 
basic linear combination fit, to run new standards myself when I have more 
beamtime.  

I'm able to do it in Athena- where you more or less:
1. Assign E0 to the first peak in the first derivative of your standard 
reference foil. 
2. Calibrate one standard reference foil to the theoretical edge energy.
3. Ensure E0 is right/adjust E0 for all samples and sample foils.
4. Align reference foils to the standard reference foil, because the foil will 
pull the sample with it.

But in Larch, maybe I'm unsure about the groups function?  I'm not convinced 
the reference foils 'follow' the sample spectra. 
If the reference and samples aren't tied together, how do you align samples 
when your energies are off because of different beamlines or years or people 
not as careful to calibrate the beamline energy? 
My first thought was using the first derivative peak of your sample, but if 
your edge energy shifts because of oxidation state changes, what do you use 
then?


I'm still trying to form my question, so let me know if this still doesn't make 
much sense. 
Thanks!
Valerie


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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 18:38:24 -0600
From: Matt Newville <newvi...@cars.uchicago.edu>
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Subject: Re: [Ifeffit] Larch energy calibration
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Hi Valerie,

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 10:48 AM Schoepfer, Valerie < 
valerie.schoep...@usask.ca> wrote:

> Hi,
>
>
>
> I am using Larch XAS Viewer for the first time to analyze some Mo 
> XANES data. It is fairly straightforward, however I am running into 
> problems with energy calibration, which leads to problems with Linear 
> Combination Fitting.
>
>
>
> Right now, which is likely wrong, I?m calibrating the energy of a 
> standard to the theoretical edge, then auto-aligning the samples to the 
> standard.
> But how do reference foils fit in here? Reference foils don?t seem to 
> be tied to the sample like they are in Athena. Should I be manually aligning?
>
>
>
> Is there a general guidance or work flow?
>

It's possible that I do not fully understand the question or that this answer 
will veer a bit off the topic of your question.

For sure, energies need to be aligned properly for any multi-spectra comparison 
or linear method to work well. But it should be that you will have groups of 
spectra that all share a consistent energy calibration, say from the same 
beamline/beamtime.

If you do have a reference channel for every measurement, you can compare those 
reference channels.  Ideally, these will not vary for every
measurement - that would indicate a serious problem.   So, I think you
should be able to group spectra together as uniformly calibrated (hopefully all 
data from a day or more of beamtime at a particular beamline) and then make 
sure that the different groups of spectra.  Does that seem reasonable?

I have to admit that at my beamline I don't often have the luxury or need to 
run a reference foil for every scan, so we calibrate consistently ahead
of time.  I'm sure that leads to a bias in the software.   I guess I forgot
that Athena had the ability to read and tie a second spectrum as a "reference" 
and use that to auto-apply calibration.

Is it generally necessary to calibrate many spectra individually, or do people 
find that doing them in a few large groups is sufficient?

--Matt
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