tamat sih enggak Boss ... Cuman lama-lama konsumen jadi bosen dng model yg 
itu-itu aja. Lagi pula kebanyakan pemilik lohan termakan isu "Lohan sebagai 
pembawa hoki". Hoki sih bener kalo yg bener-bener bagus. Jadi boleh dibilang 
mereka juga korban tren lohan (KOTELO)... Jarang yg bener-bener menyukai 100% 
alias setengah jalan ....
Soal tren ikan ... asal nggak nyalahin kodrat asli si ikan is ok aja ... Dan 
semoga aja ikannnya nggak protes ....

Anditya Kamadjaja <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Tapi kenapa yach dengan kasus louhan yang juga hybrid & fashion fish trendy,
ternyata tamat riwayatnya. Sedangkan untuk ikan seperti guppy, cupang &
discuss malah terus berkembang & keluar model baru seperti HP Nokia saja.
Yang saya takutkan ke tiga jenis ikan terakhir akan bernasib seperti Louhan.
Saya perhatikan diluar negeri juga ada perkembangan mode untuk koki.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "willy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:52 PM
Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - fashion
fish - Email found in subject


> Ya bagus boss kalo modelnya (red : strain) berubah-ubah berarti antara
> breeder dan hobbiess mempunyai kreatifitas yg tinggi dan ini bisa membuat
> trendnya lebih panjang dan harga lebih tinggi dpd begitu-begitu aja enggak
> ada perobahan pasti sebentar aja udah jenuh.
>
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ikan Hias (E-mail)" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 5:41 PM
Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - fashion
fish - Email found in subject


> Kalo perubahan model sih sptnya gak terlalu tapi lebih ke perkembangan
> warna.....yg dulunya kita gak kenal gold, copper dll sekarang mulai
> muncul....tapi ya itulah kasus ikan "hybrid"
>
> Hn
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: [email protected] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of willy
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:52 PM
>   To: [email protected]
>   Subject: Re: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - fashion fish
>
>
>   Ya bagus boss kalo modelnya (red : strain) berubah-ubah berarti antara
>   breeder dan hobbiess mempunyai kreatifitas yg tinggi dan ini bisa
membuat
>   trendnya lebih panjang dan harga lebih tinggi dpd begitu-begitu aja
enggak
>   ada perobahan pasti sebentar aja udah jenuh.
>
>
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Anditya Kamadjaja" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   To: <[email protected]>
>   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:20 PM
>   Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - fashion fish
>
>
>   > Iya tuh, padahal apa enaknya lihat body cupang segede jarum. yang
bagus
>   tuh
>   > yang lebar, sehat, padat berisi.
>   > Cuma yach, susahnya ikan seperti cupang, discus & guppy cepet banget
>   > perkembangan modelnya. Baru punya model yang sudah kita incar sejak
>   sebulan
>   > lalu, ech sudah muncul model baru. Mending yang keluar cuma 1 model.
>   > Ternyata bisa keluar 4 model sekaligus. Seperti model baju aja,
fashion
>   > trendy, man!!!! Hehehehe..........................
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "Eko Marliyanto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > To: <[email protected]>
>   > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:07 PM
>   > Subject: [SPAM] - Re: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty - Email
>   found
>   > in subject
>   >
>   >
>   > > Kalau saya perhatikan banyak para pedagang memelihara asal-asalan
> mngak
>   > > memperhatikan kualitas yang mereka kejar kebanyakan kuantitas aja.
>   > > Sekarang ini yang lagi ramai kalau ngak salah kearah warna copper
atau
>   > gold.
>   > >
>   > > Salam
>   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > > To: "Ikan Hias (E-mail)" <[email protected]>
>   > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 4:00 PM
>   > > Subject: RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty
>   > >
>   > >
>   > > > Lumayan bagus pak, apalagi semakin sering diadain kontes. Kalo
untuk
>   > > > primadona saya kurang paham pak.....mungkin para senior cupang
bisa
>   > > > menjawab,
>   > > > Untuk body cupang yg cilik2 mungkin jadi dari perawatan sejak
> lahirnya
>   > gak
>   > > > optimal krn ada 2 teman yg sama2 punya cupang usia 3 bulan tapi
>   bodynya
>   > > beda
>   > > > jauh
>   > > >
>   > > > Hn
>   > > >   -----Original Message-----
>   > > >   From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > > > Behalf Of Anditya Kamadjaja
>   > > >   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:12 PM
>   > > >   To: [email protected]
>   > > >   Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >   Bagaimana prospek Cupang? Kontesnya makin sering aja tuh!
Halfmoon
> &
>   > > crown
>   > > >   masih primadona yach? Saya lihat kalau di Kartini cupangnya
crown
>   tail
>   > > > tapi
>   > > >   body-nya cilik-cilik kenapa yach? Masak sich ada cupang bantet.
>   Setahu
>   > > > saya
>   > > >   cupang akan membesar kalau dikasih makannya teratur sejak masa
>   > > >   pertumbuhannya.
>   > > >
>   > > >   ----- Original Message -----
>   > > >   From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > > >   To: <[email protected]>
>   > > >   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:05 PM
>   > > >   Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka
> dan
>   > > > Beauty -
>   > > >   Email found in subject - Email found in subject
>   > > >
>   > > >
>   > > >   > Sama-sama......betul pak
>   > > >   >
>   > > >   > Hn
>   > > >   >   -----Original Message-----
>   > > >   >   From: [email protected]
>   > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > > >   > Behalf Of Anditya Kamadjaja
>   > > >   >   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 2:54 PM
>   > > >   >   To: [email protected]
>   > > >   >   Subject: Re: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan
>   > Beauty -
>   > > >   Email
>   > > >   > found in subject
>   > > >   >
>   > > >   >
>   > > >   >   Thank's alot BTW.
>   > > >   >
>   > > >   >   Pelihara Cupang?
>   > > >   >
>   > > >   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   > > >   >   From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > > >   >   To: <[email protected]>
>   > > >   >   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:43 PM
>   > > >   >   Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan
> Beauty -
>   > > Email
>   > > >   > found
>   > > >   >   in subject
>   > > >   >
>   > > >   >
>   > > >   >   > Hehehe.....sorry kalo jualnya sih gak tau ya.....maksud
saya
>   jl
>   > > kaji
>   > > > &
>   > > >   > jl
>   > > >   >   hm
>   > > >   >   > sangaji itu ada di kiri jalan hasyim ashari letaknya kalo
> kita
>   > > > datang
>   > > >   > dari
>   > > >   >   > arah carefour duta merlin, begitu pak
>   > > >   >   >
>   > > >   >   > Hn
>   > > >   >   >   -----Original Message-----
>   > > >   >   >   From: [email protected]
>   > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > > >   >   > Behalf Of Anditya Kamadjaja
>   > > >   >   >   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 1:06 PM
>   > > >   >   >   To: [email protected]
>   > > >   >   >   Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty
>   > > >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   Jualnya di dalam rumah? khusus jual koki?
>   > > >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   > > >   >   >   From: "Hendra" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > > >   >   >   To: <[email protected]>
>   > > >   >   >   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:31 PM
>   > > >   >   >   Subject: [SPAM] - RE: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan
>   > Beauty -
>   > > >   Email
>   > > >   >   > found
>   > > >   >   >   in subject
>   > > >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   > Dekat jl HM Sangaji  (Petojo) pak Andi, kalo misalnya
> dari
>   > > > Hasyim
>   > > >   >   Ashari
>   > > >   >   >   > (sebelah carefour duta merlin) tuh jl kaji dulu baru
jl
> hm
>   > > > sangaji
>   > > >   >   >   semuanya
>   > > >   >   >   > ada di sebelah kiri jalan
>   > > >   >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   > Hn
>   > > >   >   >   >   -----Original Message-----
>   > > >   >   >   >   From: [email protected]
>   > > >   > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > > >   >   >   > Behalf Of Anditya Kamadjaja
>   > > >   >   >   >   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 12:03 PM
>   > > >   >   >   >   To: [email protected]
>   > > >   >   >   >   Subject: [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan Beauty
>   > > >   >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   >   Jl. Kaji No. 20 didekat mana?
>   > > >   >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   >   ----- Original Message -----
>   > > >   >   >   >   From: "luckynug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > > >   >   >   >   To: <[email protected]>
>   > > >   >   >   >   Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:15 AM
>   > > >   >   >   >   Subject: [SPAM] - [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka dan
>   > Beauty -
>   > > >   Email
>   > > >   >   > found
>   > > >   >   >   in
>   > > >   >   >   >   subject
>   > > >   >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > Kalo mau kelas yg agak bagus ya di Tropis,
showroom
> di
>   > > > Kosambi
>   > > >   >   >   >   > Permai,Dadap (kebanyakan udah diternak di
Magelang,
> tp
>   > > induk
>   > > >   >   >   >   > import), atau di Bens Aquarium (Maspion Plaza),
kalo
>   mau
>   > > > lion
>   > > >   > head
>   > > >   >   >   >   > ada di Jl. Kaji 20(rumah),Itu yg saya
> rekomendasikan,
>   sb
>   > > >   banyak
>   > > >   > yg
>   > > >   >   >   >   > iklan di koran koki import tapi tidak import.
Memang
>   utk
>   > > > jenis
>   > > >   >   >   >   > tertentu, kualitas lokal udah cukup bagus dan
>   mendekati
>   > > > import
>   > > >   >   >   >   > (TulungAgung)seperti Tosa, Oranda, Oranda Red Cap,
>   > > >   Mutiara,dll.
>   > > >   > Tp
>   > > >   >   >   >   > kalo yang jenis rancu, TulungAgung belom bisa
>   bersaing.
>   > > >   >   >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   >   >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > --- In [email protected], "Anditya
> Kamadjaja"
>   > > >   >   >   >   > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > Beli koki induknya dimana?
>   > > >   >   >   >   > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > ----- Original Message -----
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > From: "luckynug" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > To: <[email protected]>
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 10:50 AM
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > Subject: [SPAM] - [ikan_hias] Re: Pellet Osaka
dan
>   > > > Beauty -
>   > > >   >   Email
>   > > >   >   >   >   > found in
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > subject
>   > > >   >   >   >   > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > Kalo gak salah di Jl. Makaliwe, jalan yg
dibawah
>   > jalan
>   > > > tol
>   > > >   >   dalam
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > kota, depan Jelambar, disana satu jalan banyak
> yg
>   > jual
>   > > >   >   Aquarium,
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > Hikari ada kecil ada besar, biasa saya beli yg
>   besar
>   > > Rp.
>   > > >   48
>   > > >   > rb
>   > > >   >   >   >   > (utk
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > Lion head) yang untuk oranda agak murahan +/-
45
>   rb.
>   > > > Laris
>   > > >   >   > import
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > sendiri, jadi Hikari dijamin asli.Kalo mau
> belajar
>   > > >   pelihara
>   > > >   >   > koki,
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > pake beli yg murah dulu aja, sb gampang
> mati.kalo
>   > udh
>   > > >   serius
>   > > >   >   >   >   > beli yg
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > kecil tp kualitaas bgs (co induk import) itu
> tidak
>   > > mahal
>   > > >   > kok.
>   > > >   >   > Jgn
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > beli ikan dr Tulung Agung, sb gampang mati
kalo
>   gak
>   > > >   > hati-hati
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > peliharanya (walo harga murah)Kalo beli dr
kecil
>   dan
>   > > > besar
>   > > >   >   bisa
>   > > >   >   >   >   > jadi
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > kualitas bagus, ada kepuasan sendiri (bg
> hobiis).
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > --- In [email protected], Vincent
Surya
>   > > >   >   > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > wrote:
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > Laris itu Grogol sebelah mana ya boss??
Maklum
>   > baru
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > jadi kokiers nih..So hikari banyak jenisnya
> juga
>   > ??
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > Wah pusing deh..
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > --- luckynug <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > sekarang Liman udh sangat jarang, juga
>   > aeratornya,
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > memang kalo
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > hobbiss murni koki dan ingin jago
memelihara
>   dan
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > membesarkan koki
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > agak rumit dan butuh waktu, sekarang
banyak
> yg
>   > > juara
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > di kontes koki
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > tapi buka dari mengembangkan kualitas
> sendiri,
>   > > tapi
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > beli import dan
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > dibesarkan, cara meramu gampang-gampang
> susah,
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > kompoisis tergantung
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > dari growth mana yg diinginkan, biasa kita
>   > > besarkan
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > dulu baru
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > warna,saya maen ikan udah dari thn 1983
kok
>   jadi
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > udah tau semua
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > merk, tetra juga bagus. kalo mau beli
Hikari
>   yg
>   > > asli
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > di Laris di
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > grogol aja, harga tdk telalu mahal (kalu
> Rancu
>   > dan
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > Lion Head, saya
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > anjurkan pake Hikari yg Lion Head)
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > --- In [email protected],
>   > "RWA-Roeswendra
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > Agung Arijadi"
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > Boss... seingat gua, tahun 1993 (pertama
>   main
>   > > ikan
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > lagi) emang
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > pellet yang bagus itu HIKARI, tapi waktu
itu
>
>   > kalo
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > gak salah hanya
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > dikhususkan untuk koi. Dan jaman itu
pellet
>   > untuk
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > koki itu LIMAN dan
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > Beauty.... jadi kalo mau murmer dan bagus
ya
>   > pake
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > LIMAN ... sampai
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > sekarang untuk pellet koki saya tetep pake
>   > LIMAN.
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > Terus terang aja jaman dulu itu
peralatan
>   ikan
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > bagus-bagus
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > termasuk pakan ... sekarang ini
buaaannyaaak
>   > > banget
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > merek peraralatn
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > dan juga makanan ... ampe bikin bingung.
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > Kalo yang dah main ikan tahun 90-an
pasti
>   tau
>   > > merk
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > MULTI (ini
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > kayak RESUN sekarang lah), LIMAN, RENA dan
>   EHEIM
>   > > ...
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > sekarang sich
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > merek-merek itu masih ada ..tapi lihat
>   > ...........
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > harganya yang gak
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > kuku. Beebrapa waktu lalu saya beli
aerator
>   > merek
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > MULTI dua
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > lubang ... harga dah 45rb ..sama kayak
>   > AZOO..gile
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > kan ?
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > @gung
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > (ikan-nya mati .. beli lagi ajaaaa ....)
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >   _____
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > From: [email protected]
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > On Behalf Of luckynug
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > Sent: 17 Mei 2005 11:34
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > To: [email protected]
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > Subject: [ikan_hias] Pellet Osaka dan
> Beauty
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > >
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > Kalo gw untuk koki tetap Hikari,
peletnya
>   > nomor
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > satu untuk koki,
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > dapat
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > dilihat bahwa Hikari ada dijual di
> internet
>   > > dunia,
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > kalo Beauty dan
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > Osaka mana ada ? paling di Thai dan
>   Asia,tapi
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > menurut gw kalo ikan
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > yang biasa-biasa aja, gak perlu Hikari
>   kecuali
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > kelasnya Show
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > Quality,
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > dan sesungguhnya yang paling bagus kalau
>   kita
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > meramu sendiri
>   > > >   >   >   >   > > > > > > berdasarkan pengalaman dan jenis
ikannya.
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