Take a look at Chilisoft
http://www.chilisoft.com/
I understand it works great.
Dave
At 08:12 AM 2/16/01 -0600, you wrote:
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>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:04:43 -0500
>From: "Adam Laing" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [imail] Help with ASP
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Hi everyone,
>
>I was wondering if anyone knows any hints to get ASP working on an
>NT Apache web server, so that I can use the Ezsign-up and the
>You've got mail utilities.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Adam Laing
>SwitchWorks Technologies Inc.
>Tel: (416) 531-8750
>Fax: (416) 531-3441
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 09:22:46 -0700
>Subject: RE: [imail] Help with ASP
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I haven't used apache that much on nt, but their is a product called
>chiliASP for apache that is used on unix, they may have an NT version
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Adam Laing [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 8:05 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [imail] Help with ASP
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I was wondering if anyone knows any hints to get ASP working on an
>NT Apache web server, so that I can use the Ezsign-up and the
>You've got mail utilities.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Adam Laing
>SwitchWorks Technologies Inc.
>Tel: (416) 531-8750
>Fax: (416) 531-3441
>
>
>
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>From: "OurLists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:20:35 -0600
>Subject: RE: [imail] Help with ASP
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>there are some Perl initiatives - check the Apache site
>
>Commercial proudcts are chilisoft (http://www.chilisoft.com/) and
>iAsp http://www.halcyonsoft.com/
>
>Of the 2 commercial products I personally preferred iASP although neither
>perform as well as ASP3.0.
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>Adam Laing
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 9:05 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: [imail] Help with ASP
>
>
>Hi everyone,
>
>I was wondering if anyone knows any hints to get ASP working on an
>NT Apache web server, so that I can use the Ezsign-up and the
>You've got mail utilities.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>
>Adam Laing
>SwitchWorks Technologies Inc.
>Tel: (416) 531-8750
>Fax: (416) 531-3441
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>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:28:39 -0600
>Subject: RE: [imail] [ANNC] You've Got IMail! for KillerWebMail now
available...
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Looks and sounds cool - one question -
>>
>> What kind of a load does this put on the server? The page we
>> would put this on receives over 20,000 daily page shows and only
>> about 2-4,000 of those are from people with mail - so does a no
>> mail put much strain? and what about if they have an account?
>
>The default view of the YGI display would only incur a small additional .asp
>page load for each page on which it's displayed. If the user did not log in,
>it won't hit the IMail server at all.
>
>Once the user is logged in and the authentication cookies are available, the
>YGI system hits to IMail server on the backend, doing a form submission
>similar to a login behind the scenes and pulling back the new msg count and
>session string from the IMail templates (this happens very very fast on a
>LAN with our custom COM object); that won't put additional stress on the
>webserver, but does hit the IMail box. However, you probably should consider
>that the little back-door new msg check might actually reduce the load on
>IMail, since many users won't find it necessary to open up the entire system
>and frameset just to see if new mail is present.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Ron
>
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 08:31:31 -0800 (PST)
>From: akim alam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [imail] Setting second login page for second domain
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Please help...
>
>I am currently running Classic template with iMail
>6.05. I have one login page with one company name and
>a number virtual for different companies. I would
>like to have a second login page for a different
>company domain. I have a different IP address for the
>second domain name; however, I am not sure whether I
>have to run a separate Classic template. Would you
>please help me out how should I run two login page
>using one Classic template.
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>akim
>
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>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:36:03 -0600
>Subject: RE: [imail] How to I create new themes/styles for Killer Templates
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> I am putting together my IMail server, using the Killer Templates
>>
>> http://email.chartway.com:8383
>>
>> I would love to be able to design a new theme, using our corporate
>> lighthouse.....
>>
>> www.chartway.com
>>
>> is there a FAQ on how to do this?
>
>Chris,
>
>No, but here ya go: Check out the other themes in the
>config_StyleSelections.cgi file, especially the ones with photographic
>backgrounds. You'll see the syntax of specifying the graphics, which will go
>in your KWMimages directory.
>
>If you open up some of the graphics we've included, you'll see that size
>matters. The top frame image should be exactly 70 pixels high, by approx
>1,000-1,200 pixels wide. The left frame image should be approx 800 pixels
>high, by approx 200-300 pixels wide. The login screen graphic can be any
>size you wish. (Keep in mind you can used tiled graphics for all 3... 70
>pixels square works nicely... that's what we use for the Steel Blue and
>River Stones styles, for example.)
>
>Keep the size of the graphics to a minimum... we use Photoshop to save as a
>jpeg with low to medium compression, and sometimes a bit of
>contrast-reduction and blurring to bring the size down further. The biggest
>file will be the left frame graphic; try to keep it under 30k.
>
>The toughest part of making the seamless bg effect is slicing up the
>original image just right between the top 70-px-high graphic, and the left
>frame graphic below it.
>
>That's about all I can think of... let me know if you have any more
>questions.
>
>-ron
>
>
>
>
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>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:39:12 -0600
>Subject: RE: [imail] Help with ASP
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> I was wondering if anyone knows any hints to get ASP working on an
>> NT Apache web server, so that I can use the Ezsign-up and the
>> You've got mail utilities.
>
>Adam,
>
>Keep in mind that while YGI can run on any ASP webserver, EZSU will need to
>be served by IIS on the IMail machine itself, since remote calling of the
>adduser.exe cmd line utility doesn't work.
>
>-ron
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>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 10:41:05 -0600
>Subject: RE: [imail] Setting second login page for second domain
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> I am currently running Classic template with iMail
>> 6.05. I have one login page with one company name and
>> a number virtual for different companies. I would
>> like to have a second login page for a different
>> company domain. I have a different IP address for the
>> second domain name; however, I am not sure whether I
>> have to run a separate Classic template. Would you
>> please help me out how should I run two login page
>> using one Classic template.
>
>You'll need to create a /web directory inside the other company's domain
>directory, and put JUST the customized files there. In the case of the login
>files for the Classic templates, that would be login.html, plogin.html,
>stylesheet.cgi, and footer.cgi.
>
>-ron
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:52:24 -0500
>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [imail] misc questions
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Hi Everyone,
>
>We just deployed IMAIL & KWM Templates on NT (coming from 6 years of stable
>UNIX-SENDMAIL) and have been having a rough time. I know that much of this
>is IP Switch, but I wondered if I have a config. issue with the templates
>or something....We have some level 2 Techs from IP Switch helping, but
>wondered if ya'll have any insight.
>
>(1) We've noticed that POP and WEBMSSG services 'die' several times
>throughout the day when we have multiple admins working in the WEB GUI
>resetting passwords or adding accounts. I think it is correlated to the
>admin use b/c we do not have this performance issue at night, even with 270
>simultaneous connections to these services - -which is less than the normal
>during the day. Running SQL DB on separate server from IMAIL with about 4K
>mail accounts.
>
>(2) When adding virtual hosts via the WEB GUI, it defaults to the IMail DB
>and there is no option to specify the external DB -- why not?
>
>(3) The disk space limit is having intermittent problems --- we notice it
>warns us on some accounts and not others (sometimes I think it is because
>there is one giant e-mail that takes up the space, which would be hard to
>warn about, but there are others who just have a ridiculous amount of text
>e-mail and there was no warning). Sometimes, the left menu (that contains
>the list of Folders and displays the mailbox usage meter) just does not
>appear on certain accounts in the same browser. When we create a folder,
>it doesn't appear either...and it is still receiving new messages. Why is
>this?
>
>(4) Anyone notice any problems with subscribers checking their e-mail via
>Netscape Messenger 4.7 or Eudora Light on both MAC and PC? They keep
>getting a "transfer" error -- and we check their settings and their
>Internet connex. is not flaky. Sometimes, it is because the POP service
>needed to be rebooted during the transfer, but even after the reboot and
>with POP consistently up, it is still having problems.
>
>(5) Any reported issues with certain versions of Outlook Express and IMail?
>
>Any thoughts, suspicions, tips, tricks, advice welcome...our subscribers
>are demanding we go back to our sendmail system and now we are wondering if
>we should. It's been the LONGEST 2 weeks of our lives!
>
>Thanks so much,
>Mary
>
>
>
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 13:38:50 -0500
>Subject: Re: [imail] misc questions
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>I would suggest you subscribe and ask these questions on the
>imail mailing list (available on their site) - you will find a much larger
>user base there and the questions will be more on topic.
>
>Chet
>
>
>On 15 Feb 2001, at 12:52, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>Date sent: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 12:52:24 -0500
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: [imail] misc questions
>Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> We just deployed IMAIL & KWM Templates on NT (coming from 6 years of
>> stable UNIX-SENDMAIL) and have been having a rough time. I know that
>> much of this is IP Switch, but I wondered if I have a config. issue
>> with the templates or something....We have some level 2 Techs from IP
>> Switch helping, but wondered if ya'll have any insight.
>>
>> (1) We've noticed that POP and WEBMSSG services 'die' several times
>> throughout the day when we have multiple admins working in the WEB GUI
>> resetting passwords or adding accounts. I think it is correlated to
>> the admin use b/c we do not have this performance issue at night, even
>> with 270 simultaneous connections to these services - -which is less
>> than the normal during the day. Running SQL DB on separate server
>> from IMAIL with about 4K mail accounts.
>>
>> (2) When adding virtual hosts via the WEB GUI, it defaults to the
>> IMail DB and there is no option to specify the external DB -- why not?
>>
>> (3) The disk space limit is having intermittent problems --- we notice
>> it warns us on some accounts and not others (sometimes I think it is
>> because there is one giant e-mail that takes up the space, which would
>> be hard to warn about, but there are others who just have a ridiculous
>> amount of text e-mail and there was no warning). Sometimes, the left
>> menu (that contains the list of Folders and displays the mailbox usage
>> meter) just does not appear on certain accounts in the same browser.
>> When we create a folder, it doesn't appear either...and it is still
>> receiving new messages. Why is this?
>>
>> (4) Anyone notice any problems with subscribers checking their e-mail
>> via Netscape Messenger 4.7 or Eudora Light on both MAC and PC? They
>> keep getting a "transfer" error -- and we check their settings and
>> their Internet connex. is not flaky. Sometimes, it is because the POP
>> service needed to be rebooted during the transfer, but even after the
>> reboot and with POP consistently up, it is still having problems.
>>
>> (5) Any reported issues with certain versions of Outlook Express and
>> IMail?
>>
>> Any thoughts, suspicions, tips, tricks, advice welcome...our
>> subscribers are demanding we go back to our sendmail system and now we
>> are wondering if we should. It's been the LONGEST 2 weeks of our
>> lives!
>>
>> Thanks so much,
>> Mary
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:11:48 -0600
>Subject: RE: [imail] misc questions
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Mary,
>
>I'll try to answer the webmail-related questions...
>
>> (3) The disk space limit is having intermittent problems --- we notice it
>> warns us on some accounts and not others (sometimes I think it is because
>> there is one giant e-mail that takes up the space, which would be hard to
>> warn about, but there are others who just have a ridiculous
>> amount of text
>> e-mail and there was no warning).
>
>Are you talking about the webmail account size graph and JavaScript warning
>prompt? What problems exactly have you seen?
>
>> Sometimes, the left menu (that
>> contains
>> the list of Folders and displays the mailbox usage meter) just does not
>> appear on certain accounts in the same browser. When we create a folder,
>> it doesn't appear either...and it is still receiving new
>> messages. Why is
>> this?
>
>Some browsers have a timing issue on the initial load with that left frame,
>where it doesn't come up right away. It's very tough to reproduce the
>problem. Clicking the refresh button in the browser window (not above the
>menu) normally brings it up. It's something we're still looking at, but
>thankfully happens only rarely. If you can find a way to reproduce it
>consistently, let us know and we'll work on making it go away completely.
>
>As a general tip when you're seeing lots of problems, look hard at your DNS
>settings for the domain(s). You might want to post them here, or on the big
>list, or go to Scott Perry's helpful site at http://www.declude.com and run
>your domain(s) through his automatic checker system.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Ron
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: "Richard Kingsley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:23:46 -0000
>Subject: RE: [imail] How to I create new themes/styles for Killer Templates
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Hi All,
>
>What is the best size for the logo graphics (ie the domainname.com.gif
>image)?
>
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 15 February 2001 16:36
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [imail] How to I create new themes/styles for Killer
>Templates
>
>
>> I am putting together my IMail server, using the Killer Templates
>>
>> http://email.chartway.com:8383
>>
>> I would love to be able to design a new theme, using our corporate
>> lighthouse.....
>>
>> www.chartway.com
>>
>> is there a FAQ on how to do this?
>
>Chris,
>
>No, but here ya go: Check out the other themes in the
>config_StyleSelections.cgi file, especially the ones with photographic
>backgrounds. You'll see the syntax of specifying the graphics, which will go
>in your KWMimages directory.
>
>If you open up some of the graphics we've included, you'll see that size
>matters. The top frame image should be exactly 70 pixels high, by approx
>1,000-1,200 pixels wide. The left frame image should be approx 800 pixels
>high, by approx 200-300 pixels wide. The login screen graphic can be any
>size you wish. (Keep in mind you can used tiled graphics for all 3... 70
>pixels square works nicely... that's what we use for the Steel Blue and
>River Stones styles, for example.)
>
>Keep the size of the graphics to a minimum... we use Photoshop to save as a
>jpeg with low to medium compression, and sometimes a bit of
>contrast-reduction and blurring to bring the size down further. The biggest
>file will be the left frame graphic; try to keep it under 30k.
>
>The toughest part of making the seamless bg effect is slicing up the
>original image just right between the top 70-px-high graphic, and the left
>frame graphic below it.
>
>That's about all I can think of... let me know if you have any more
>questions.
>
>-ron
>
>
>
>
>
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>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:28:17 -0600
>Subject: RE: [imail] How to I create new themes/styles for Killer Templates
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> What is the best size for the logo graphics (ie the domainname.com.gif
>> image)?
>
>Same size as ours. Do a right-click, go to properties, and you'll see the
>dimensions (142x57). You certainly won't want to go bigger than about
>160x65, but you can easily go smaller.
>
>-ron
>
>
>
>
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>From: "Richard Kingsley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 22:29:17 -0000
>Subject: RE: [imail] How to I create new themes/styles for Killer Templates
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Thanks
>
>Richard
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: 15 February 2001 22:28
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [imail] How to I create new themes/styles for Killer
>Templates
>
>
>> What is the best size for the logo graphics (ie the domainname.com.gif
>> image)?
>
>Same size as ours. Do a right-click, go to properties, and you'll see the
>dimensions (142x57). You certainly won't want to go bigger than about
>160x65, but you can easily go smaller.
>
>-ron
>
>
>
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 17:42:25 -0500
>From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [imail] misc questions
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Hi Ron and thanks for helping with this where you can...
>
>> > (3) The disk space limit is having intermittent problems --- we notice it
>> > warns us on some accounts and not others (sometimes I think it is because
>> > there is one giant e-mail that takes up the space, which would be hard to
>> > warn about, but there are others who just have a ridiculous
>> > amount of text
>> > e-mail and there was no warning).
>>
>>Are you talking about the webmail account size graph and JavaScript warning
>>prompt? What problems exactly have you seen?
>
>Yes, about the graph: it will continue to receive mail beyond the specified
>disk space and in some accounts, it is not there at all. I set the limit
>to 10MB in the KWM config file. Is there another place I need to specify
this?
>
>On some accounts, I have noticed that it isn't there at all. I know it's
>not a browser version issue because I am able to access other accounts
>using that same browser with the graph displaying....funny, huh?
>
>> > Sometimes, the left menu (that
>> > contains
>> > the list of Folders and displays the mailbox usage meter) just does not
>> > appear on certain accounts in the same browser. When we create a folder,
>> > it doesn't appear either...and it is still receiving new
>> > messages. Why is
>> > this?
>>
>>Some browsers have a timing issue on the initial load with that left frame,
>>where it doesn't come up right away. It's very tough to reproduce the
>>problem. Clicking the refresh button in the browser window (not above the
>>menu) normally brings it up. It's something we're still looking at, but
>>thankfully happens only rarely. If you can find a way to reproduce it
>>consistently, let us know and we'll work on making it go away completely.
>
>Hmmm...yeah, I had her clean out her mailbox and it still wasn't
>there...then the next day, it appeared. Am I crazy?
>
>>As a general tip when you're seeing lots of problems, look hard at your DNS
>>settings for the domain(s). You might want to post them here, or on the big
>>list, or go to Scott Perry's helpful site at http://www.declude.com and run
>>your domain(s) through his automatic checker system.
>
>My network guy thinks it might be a 'lazy' ethernet card, so he is
>switching it out to see if that helps. Thanks again Ron.
>
>Mary
>
>
>
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>From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 16:47:46 -0600
>Subject: RE: [imail] misc questions
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> > > (3) The disk space limit is having intermittent problems ---
>> we notice it
>> > > warns us on some accounts and not others (sometimes I think
>> it is because
>> > > there is one giant e-mail that takes up the space, which
>> would be hard to
>> > > warn about, but there are others who just have a ridiculous
>> > > amount of text
>> > > e-mail and there was no warning).
>> >
>> >Are you talking about the webmail account size graph and
>> JavaScript warning
>> >prompt? What problems exactly have you seen?
>>
>> Yes, about the graph: it will continue to receive mail beyond the
>> specified
>> disk space and in some accounts, it is not there at all. I set the limit
>> to 10MB in the KWM config file. Is there another place I need to
>> specify this?
>
>If you actually want it to shut them down when the limit is reached (instead
>of just popping up the annoying warning), you'll need to specify a limit in
>IMail, not the templates. See the IMail documentation.
>
>
>> On some accounts, I have noticed that it isn't there at all. I know it's
>> not a browser version issue because I am able to access other accounts
>> using that same browser with the graph displaying....funny, huh?
>
>See the ReadMe for discussion of overriding the limit for certain
>accounts... if they're set to 0 (in the Finger info (plan.ima file)), they
>won't see a graph.
>
>> Hmmm...yeah, I had her clean out her mailbox and it still wasn't
>> there...then the next day, it appeared. Am I crazy?
>
>No, like I said it's a rare, intermittent problem, the hardest kind to
>reproduce, let alone fix.
>
>
>> >As a general tip when you're seeing lots of problems, look hard
>> at your DNS
>> >settings for the domain(s). You might want to post them here, or
>> on the big
>> >list, or go to Scott Perry's helpful site at
>http://www.declude.com and run
>>>your domain(s) through his automatic checker system.
>
>>My network guy thinks it might be a 'lazy' ethernet card, so he is
>>switching it out to see if that helps.
>
>That's a good idea. Also, make SURE you're serving the KWMimages directory
>from a real webserver, preferably a different box, for optimum performance.
>(The ReadMe discusses this.)
>
>thanks,
>Ron
>
>
>
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>From: "David Marcos" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2001 21:37:16 -0600
>Subject: RE: [imail] [ANNC] You've Got IMail! for KillerWebMail now
available...
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Can YGM be used on to login to a different domain (ie. domain1.com hosts ygm
>while domain2.com hosts the mail server)?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2001 10:29 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [imail] [ANNC] You've Got IMail! for KillerWebMail now
>available...
>
>
>> Looks and sounds cool - one question -
>>
>> What kind of a load does this put on the server? The page we
>> would put this on receives over 20,000 daily page shows and only
>> about 2-4,000 of those are from people with mail - so does a no
>> mail put much strain? and what about if they have an account?
>
>The default view of the YGI display would only incur a small additional .asp
>page load for each page on which it's displayed. If the user did not log in,
>it won't hit the IMail server at all.
>
>Once the user is logged in and the authentication cookies are available, the
>YGI system hits to IMail server on the backend, doing a form submission
>similar to a login behind the scenes and pulling back the new msg count and
>session string from the IMail templates (this happens very very fast on a
>LAN with our custom COM object); that won't put additional stress on the
>webserver, but does hit the IMail box. However, you probably should consider
>that the little back-door new msg check might actually reduce the load on
>IMail, since many users won't find it necessary to open up the entire system
>and frameset just to see if new mail is present.
>
>Hope this helps,
>Ron
>
>
>
>
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>From: "Gene Salvatore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 00:14:23 -0500
>Subject: [imail] Anyone know .. or tested the limits of the iMail list
server ?
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Hello,
>
>It seems that one of our outside sales people has neglected to disclose,
>until after the sale and setup, that a new account holder wishes to setup
>and use our mail server [iMail] for their 8,000 [and growing] mail list
>database. Presetly we are running about 150 domains, most under their own IP
>address, on the server. Aside from the heavy spam/relay issues that we are
>currently dealing with, iMail has been a reliable mail server.
>
>My question is ... is anyone using iMail with a list this large, or do you
>have any opinions on how it will run ? Presently we are running the web and
>mail servers on the same box, although that is scheduled to change within
>the next 2 months.
>
>Server is:
>
>Win 2000 - SP1
>PIII 750
>768mb RAM
>
>
>thanks for any insight,
>
>Gene
>
>
>
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>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 06:27:34 +0100
>From: Len Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [imail] Anyone know .. or tested the limits of the iMaillist
server ?
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>It seems that one of our outside sales people has neglected to disclose,
>>until after the sale and setup, that a new account holder wishes to setup
>>and use our mail server [iMail] for their 8,000 [and growing] mail list
>>database.
>
>discussion or announcement list?
>
>>Presetly we are running about 150 domains, most under their own IP
>>address, on the server. Aside from the heavy spam/relay issues that we are
>>currently dealing with, iMail has been a reliable mail server.
>>
>>My question is ... is anyone using iMail with a list this large,
>
>I'm sure there are larger lists than that.
>
>>or do you have any opinions on how it will run ?
>
>It could run ok, could run not so ok. The pb's will be in the list
>maintenance (subscribe/unsubscribe and bounce) plus the Imail list
>server can be unaggressive in delivering list traffic although 6.06
>is supposed to have made some improvement in the SMTP client area
>(the process that sends mail). So if the lists are discussion lists,
>the turnaround time can be variable to long. Throw in your
>spam/relay pb's, and you could have fun.
>
>>Win 2000 - SP1
>>PIII 750
>>768mb RAM
>
>That's certainly plenty of box for a mail server. Since you are on
>this list, I assume your users are (heavy) users of web mail.
>
>If the 8K list is a discussion list, then just 10 or 20 list msgs/day
>will generate 80K or 160K messages. Do you have any idea of what
>your traffic is now?
>
>I suggest you try it and see how it goes. But everybody knows
>Imail's list server is very basic, so be ready to seek relief
>quickly. Msg deliveries can be offloaded to IMGate, which will also
>fix your relay/spam pb's. Then if list maintenance/stability is a
>pb, then I'd recommend using a real list server such as Listar +
>postfix on FreeBSD on a separate machine of not necessarily such
>power. The software is free but magnitudes better than Imail list
>server. I have client running announcement lists of 20k members and
>getting 40K msg deliveries/hour. Many people run list of 70K and
>above on Listar.
>
>Len
>
>
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>
>
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>From: "Gene Salvatore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:14:23 -0500
>Subject: RE: [imail] Anyone know .. or tested the limits of the iMaillist
server ?
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Hi Len,
>
>Thanks for the reply ... I see you sleep about as much as I do ... what
>about 30 minutes a nite :~) [from your typically immediate and knowledgable
>replies to both HKSI & imail lists].
>
>I am speaking of the iMail discussion lists. I am sure that there are
>probably larger lists that 8,000, we just don't presently have any users in
>that range on the NT side. We do have many users with much more on our UNIX
>side, but the NT [so far] has been fairly lite.
>
>Typical total messaging on the box is about 3000 - 4000 messages a day, but
>that does not include the days when we seem to be getting whacked with spam
>or relay. I have quite a few higher days that are hovering in the 20,000 -
>25,000 total messages. We are actively working to kill the spammer/relayer.
>BTW .. thx for the insight on imgate. I think that is the way we will be
>heading .. I am making that part of the migration plan to a mail server
>separate from the web server.
>
>As far as the heavy usage with webmail and my use of this list, I am a "true
>believer" in Ron's products and am using the templates on our mail server. I
>find that there is plenty of valuable information and knowledge with the
>users here and tend to dump the imail list mail into an account that I scan
>through every week or so.
>
>I guess it will be a "wait and see" and a fair amount of monitoring.
>
>thx,
>
>Gene Salvatore
>VP Business Development
>NT Program Director
>Adgrafix Corporation
>http://www.adgrafix.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Len
>Conrad
>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 12:28 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: Re: [imail] Anyone know .. or tested the limits of the
>iMaillist server ?
>
>
>
>>It seems that one of our outside sales people has neglected to disclose,
>>until after the sale and setup, that a new account holder wishes to setup
>>and use our mail server [iMail] for their 8,000 [and growing] mail list
>>database.
>
>discussion or announcement list?
>
>>Presetly we are running about 150 domains, most under their own IP
>>address, on the server. Aside from the heavy spam/relay issues that we are
>>currently dealing with, iMail has been a reliable mail server.
>>
>>My question is ... is anyone using iMail with a list this large,
>
>I'm sure there are larger lists than that.
>
>>or do you have any opinions on how it will run ?
>
>It could run ok, could run not so ok. The pb's will be in the list
>maintenance (subscribe/unsubscribe and bounce) plus the Imail list
>server can be unaggressive in delivering list traffic although 6.06
>is supposed to have made some improvement in the SMTP client area
>(the process that sends mail). So if the lists are discussion lists,
>the turnaround time can be variable to long. Throw in your
>spam/relay pb's, and you could have fun.
>
>>Win 2000 - SP1
>>PIII 750
>>768mb RAM
>
>That's certainly plenty of box for a mail server. Since you are on
>this list, I assume your users are (heavy) users of web mail.
>
>If the 8K list is a discussion list, then just 10 or 20 list msgs/day
>will generate 80K or 160K messages. Do you have any idea of what
>your traffic is now?
>
>I suggest you try it and see how it goes. But everybody knows
>Imail's list server is very basic, so be ready to seek relief
>quickly. Msg deliveries can be offloaded to IMGate, which will also
>fix your relay/spam pb's. Then if list maintenance/stability is a
>pb, then I'd recommend using a real list server such as Listar +
>postfix on FreeBSD on a separate machine of not necessarily such
>power. The software is free but magnitudes better than Imail list
>server. I have client running announcement lists of 20k members and
>getting 40K msg deliveries/hour. Many people run list of 70K and
>above on Listar.
>
>Len
>
>
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>
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>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:20:45 +0100
>From: Len Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [imail] Anyone know .. or tested the limits of theiMaillist
server ?
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>Thanks for the reply ... I see you sleep about as much as I do ... what
>>about 30 minutes a nite :~)
>
>... which is not good for friendly "attitude" and patience :)))
>
>>I am speaking of the iMail discussion lists. I am sure that there are
>>probably larger lists that 8,000, we just don't presently have any users in
>>that range on the NT side. We do have many users with much more on our UNIX
>>side, but the NT [so far] has been fairly lite.
>>
>>Typical total messaging on the box is about 3000 - 4000 messages a day
>
>.... which is nothing, compared to discussion list of 8000 users.
>
>With 100 new list msgs/day, you'll have 800 K msg
>deliveries. You'll need bandwidth and a DNS with big memory to
>cache the repeatedly accessed MX/A records. I wouldn't run such a
>high volume discussion list on Imail.
>
>And you ought to have a *nix box as dedicated DNS for the mail/list
>servers, separate from the www DNS traffic.
>
>>BTW .. thx for the insight on imgate. I think that is the way we will be
>>heading .. I am making that part of the migration plan to a mail server
>>separate from the web server.
>
>and IMgate separate from the mailbox server.
>
>Len
>
>
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>From: "Gene Salvatore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 01:46:30 -0500
>Subject: RE: [imail] Anyone know .. or tested the limits of theiMaillist
server ?
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Thanks Len,
>
>I've been using iMAnalyze to parse through the iMail logs for the past
>couple of days .. I have plenty more to run through before getting a true
>average number, but I think it will be under 5,000 per day. You are right,
>that will be nothing compared to a list of 8,000+ .. we'll have to see how
>it goes.
>
>I just spent the time since my last reply, reading through your docs on
>imgate. Am I correct in assuming that I could implement this now, with
>mail/web on the same server? Maybe I won't wait for the migration to a
>separate mail server. THat in itself will be a big enough project.
>
>As far as DNS and Bandwidth, there really aren't any issues there. We have
>an OC3 connection to our network and run Sun Ultra 10 DNS servers with 1GB
>ram on Solaris 8. Current customer count is hovering just over 5,000 with
>domains in the 45,000 - 50,000 range. Our NT Virtual program is still in
>its' infancy [about 8 mos], but we are set for some explosive overall growth
>in the next 6 months and are ramping up the network, hardware and staff for
>it now.
>
>Off to bed for me now ... c'ya later
>
>Gene
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Len
>Conrad
>Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 1:21 AM
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Subject: RE: [imail] Anyone know .. or tested the limits of theiMaillist
>server ?
>
>
>
>>Thanks for the reply ... I see you sleep about as much as I do ... what
>>about 30 minutes a nite :~)
>
>... which is not good for friendly "attitude" and patience :)))
>
>>I am speaking of the iMail discussion lists. I am sure that there are
>>probably larger lists that 8,000, we just don't presently have any users in
>>that range on the NT side. We do have many users with much more on our UNIX
>>side, but the NT [so far] has been fairly lite.
>>
>>Typical total messaging on the box is about 3000 - 4000 messages a day
>
>.... which is nothing, compared to discussion list of 8000 users.
>
>With 100 new list msgs/day, you'll have 800 K msg
>deliveries. You'll need bandwidth and a DNS with big memory to
>cache the repeatedly accessed MX/A records. I wouldn't run such a
>high volume discussion list on Imail.
>
>And you ought to have a *nix box as dedicated DNS for the mail/list
>servers, separate from the www DNS traffic.
>
>>BTW .. thx for the insight on imgate. I think that is the way we will be
>>heading .. I am making that part of the migration plan to a mail server
>>separate from the web server.
>
>and IMgate separate from the mailbox server.
>
>Len
>
>
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>
>
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>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:51:48 +0100
>From: Len Conrad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: RE: [imail] Anyone know .. or tested the limits oftheiMaillist
server ?
>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>>I just spent the time since my last reply, reading through your docs on
>>imgate. Am I correct in assuming that I could implement this now, with
>>mail/web on the same server?
>
>yes, IMGate is not tied to anything else. If you're having bad
>spam/DoS attacks, then IMGate will reduce them almost to nothing.
>
>>Maybe I won't wait for the migration to a separate mail server. THat
>>in itself will be a big enough project.
>
>It's actually not too bad, but if your users leave 1000's of msgs in
>their mailboxes, the mailbox data to transfer will be big.
>
>Len
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