Dusty..  I have been hit a few times...  I would like to request
your spam blocking rules file as well.

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Rand Thacker       - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Technical Director - http://NetFXCorp.com
"It's better to be paranoid than fired!"

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of ## Dusty Carden
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 12:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Rule and 5.04


It is sad that we have to deal with SPAM like we do, however
I have found it almost a necessity in running a public mail
server.

I actually considered opening up either a mailing list or
a bulletin board forum just for that purpose.  However
there were a couple of factors which concerned me.

One, as I point out to anyone that I assist with this, what
is one man's SPAM may be another man's treasure.  What
I filter may be too restrictive for others.  And I would not want
to get into a situation where a big debate was held regarding
whether something should be considered as SPAM or not.
I only filter stuff that is taken from actual SPAMS received
here on our servers or picked up from NANAE however
this does occasionally mean throwing the baby out with the
bathwater.

Two, such a forum would have to be private and access restricted
only to known admins that were interested in stopping such garbage.
Once any known SPAMMER got on the list or got access to
the global rules then it would be easy for them to get around those
rules.  Or make myself and others in the forum open game for some
SPAM slinging.

I am still open for suggestions on this.  I have only implemented the
filtering here to work with the current Imail setup.  There are
several ways this could be improved and hopefully Ipswitch will one
day address this issue a little closer.  However what is available does
work pretty well.

Of the options I would like to see if the ability to send filtered mail
to a holding area.  An administrator could then examine the filtered
messages and decide whether they are valid or not and be able to
selectively send these messages on to their destination transparent
to the user.  This method would be better than utilizing one of the
systems such as MAPS in that it would allow the administrator to
decide what mail they do not want to receive.

Anyone that ever used Paul Sica's SPAM filter on IMS mail server
is probably familiar with the Trash bin and the ability to move valid
messages
to the Incoming folder and have the processed normally if they were
caught by mistake or for some other reason.  Just one of those things
on my wish list.

Enough babbling.  I will send all that have requested my setup today.

Dusty

----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Coveney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 9:55 AM
Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] Rule and 5.04


With all this interest, has anyone considered joining together
to produce a "master spam list rule file" that we could all contribute
to and share.

Might help everyone, and relieve Dusty of all the responiblity ;)

-Kevin

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Grant Griffith
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 1999 10:49 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Rule and 5.04
>
>
> Me too Dusty.  I set-up the one for the new virus, but would be
> interested in getting a big start on the other virus's and spammers.
>
> Grant Griffith
>
> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
> From: "Vaughn Thurman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 09:35:10 -0400
>
> >Hey Dusty!
>     I'd love to have a look at that too.  Your stuff seems pretty well
> thought out and I would definitely be interested in what you are doing to
> block the spammo boys.  I have not gotten in to the rules yet and
> that would
> be helpful in a big way.
> -V
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ## Dusty Carden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 6:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Rule and 5.04
>
>
> > I will try to get something together for you this afternoon.
> > Then I will e-mail it to you off list if that is okay.  My views of
> > SPAM can appear a little warped compared to some Admins.
> >
> > I am actually working on a web site with the layout I have.  It is
> > nothing special but it works for me.  From what I have seen it
> > is working for a few others too.
> >
> > Dusty
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Wayne Maw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 1:31 PM
> > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Rule and 5.04
> >
> >
> > Would anyone mind sharing the rules.ima file for a good all round spam
> > filter?
> >
> > (They keep driving me nut's with user complaints)
> >
> >
> > Wayne.
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: John Henderson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: 16 June 1999 19:33
> > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Rule and 5.04
> >
> >
> > > Won't work.  I had to create a batch file to copy the spam
> file to each
> > > individual mailbox or domain.  Not very pleasant way of doing
> it but it
> > > worked.  Thanks to Dusty, here in this group, I now have good
> anti-spam
> > > setup.  IPSwitch needs to create something much better.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Kurt A. Butzin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 1999 11:12 AM
> > > Subject: [IMail Forum] Rule and 5.04
> > >
> > >
> > > > Has anyone been successful at getting the rules to work system wide
> with
> > > > 5.04.  I have no problem getting them to work on a domain by domain
> > basis,
> > > > but no luck putting the rules file in the top directory to
> be used by
> > the
> > > > whole system as in the manual.
> > > >
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