I SECOND THIS for both IM and Calendaring. As and ISP, we really have no way to regulate these. -Chris
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Terence Blyth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:00:15 +1300 >What I would like to see is the shared calendaring working on a per domain >basis. This would be a great thing to sell as an isp. Also has anyone looked >at the price of the licensing that Microsoft want if you are hosting on >server 2003 ? > >Regards > >Terence Blyth > >Computer Technologies Ltd > >Phone 64 3 545 9001 > >Fax 64 3 545 9002 > > > >WARNING: The contents of this e-mail may contain information that is legally >privileged and/or confidential to the named recipient. This information is >not to be used by any other person and/or organisation. The views expressed >in this document do not necessarily reflect those of Computer Technologies >Ltd. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Don Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >Sent: Tuesday, 15 November 2005 4:17 a.m. >To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com >Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing. > >And you'd be a rich man, too, if the market embraced that pricing. >However, value is a major portion of the buying decision. > >Many of us have been paying SA for years for a virtually dormant >product. I remember a time when we were begging for 'some' Spam >features and were told it would never happen. > >So, now, they want us to fund the R&D effort to make the product >competitive, but before the product is at the level of value to >support such a significant increase. > >15-20% of the license price is a relatively common yard stick, and >that extrapolates into a $6K-$8K street price of Unlimited. > >Nope. "That dog won't hunt." > >It really is too bad that Ipswitch is going to shoot themselves in the >foot again. You would think they would have learned something from >the ICS blunder. Getting a customer is hard, but getting one to come >back is almost impossible . . . > > >Thursday, November 10, 2005, 1:44:01 PM, John T (Lists) ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> First, I have no affiliation with Ipswitch what so ever. I am a >JTL> small one person business and in fact I only have about 350 >JTL> e-mail addresses that my Imail server process e-mail for, so I am >JTL> small potatoes compared to most of you. I do have the >JTL> Professional SA and will go towards the unlimited as I hope one >JTL> day when I have the time to increase the number of e-mail >JTL> addressed processed on my server to a thousand or so. >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> In spite of others opinions, I do agree that the pricing for a >JTL> unlimited SA should be higher, as figure what you get out of it. >JTL> Here is what I think the levels should be and the associated SA >JTL> pricing for Imail standalone: (note difference in levels after a >comment by Kevin) >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> 100 User $75 >JTL> >JTL> 500 user $150 >JTL> >JTL> 1000 user $400 >JTL> >JTL> 5000 user $750 >JTL> >JTL> Unlimited user $1200 >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> I also think there should be a clustering option for the 5000 >JTL> user and unlimited user levels, whereby you pay say 50% for the >JTL> second (3rd 4th 5th whatever) license but one SA covers all the >JTL> servers in the cluster. (There would need to be some way of >JTL> making the activation and use of the additional licenses >JTL> dependent on the first one. If SA was renewed, all would accept >updates, upgrades.) >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> John T >JTL> >JTL> eServices For You >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> -----Original Message----- >JTL> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >JTL> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matrosity >Hosting >JTL> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:16 AM >JTL> To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com >JTL> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing. >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> That would pretty much clinch Imail server as being >JTL> extortionware in my book. There's simply no reason in my mind >JTL> that we should be pay another 50% increase for an SA two years in >JTL> a row. I think I'll look into investing in Smartertools as >JTL> they're about to get another big boost in revenue. >JTL> >JTL> John T (Lists) wrote: >JTL> >JTL> To be honest, Kevin did mention what the prices would be close to, >however I >JTL> was in my car driving home after being at a client for 6 hours and I >was >JTL> tired and hungry, so I do not remember what numbers he said, but I will >say >JTL> that either the 1000 user SA or unlimited user SA will have a MSRP of >about >JTL> $995. >JTL> >JTL> John T >JTL> eServices For You >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> -----Original Message----- >JTL> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:IMail_Forum- >JTL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Don Brown >JTL> Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:10 AM >JTL> To: IMail_Forum@list.ipswitch.com >JTL> Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Upcoming Pricing. >JTL> >JTL> Decisions are best based upon facts as opposed speculation. >JTL> >JTL> Why the mystery about the new cost of SA? Why can't IPSwitch be >JTL> upfront, rather than sell the idea of buying an SA at the prevailing >JTL> cost? >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> Wednesday, November 9, 2005, 6:35:28 PM, John T (Lists) >JTL> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >JTL>> Responding to several posts and further information. What I am going >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> to post >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> is my thoughts/opinions/knowledge based on what I have read, those I >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> have >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> talked to now and in the past, reading between the lines, and my gut >JTL>> feelings. And believe me, my gut is way too big. >JTL> >JTL>> First of all, we all know and understand that Ipswitch really took a >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> turn >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> for the worse around 3rd quarter of 2004. (It may have even been a >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> little >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> earlier.) Just prior to that our beloved John Korsak left to pursue >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> other >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> interests. With that, a new management team was in place at Ipswitch. >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> Part >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> of the management was Jill Jones. My conversations with her at the >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> time of >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> ICS introduction left me with a bad taste, albeit one I was able to >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> accept >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> under my circumstances. That new management team basically turned a >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> deaf >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> ear >JTL>> to the needs of many us, being ISPs and small to large hosting >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> providers. >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> Well, it appears that Jill Jones is either no longer with Ipswitch or >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> has >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> been reassigned to a lesser role and Kevin Gillis is now in charge or >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> major >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> part of Product Management. I am not sure what his exact title is. >JTL> >JTL>> The gist of this is that Ipswitch decided in the second half of 2004 >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> that >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> they wanted to pursue a different cliental, underestimating the value >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> of >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> their current client base at that time. In doing so, they alienated >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> many of >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> us, and lost a lot of business which was not recovered in their new >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> focus >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> like they thought it would. Now they have a new/revamped management >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> team >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> in >JTL>> place and have realized the harm that was done and are making >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> progress >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> towards resolving that. Are they going to win back everyone who left, >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> no. >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> Are they going to please everyone, no. But they are trying, and they >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> are >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> listening. >JTL> >JTL>> It appears that they are now going to offer Imail in 3 forms: >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> Standalone, >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> Secure server, and a complete Suite. Each will be offered in 5 levels >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> based >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> on users: 25, 100, 250, 1000 and unlimited. Personally, I would have >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> like to >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> seen 100, 250, 1000, 5000 and unlimited. Although I do not know what >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> exactly >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> the new prices will be for standalone, from what Kevin told me on the >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> phone >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> while I was driving home I for the most part accept as sensible what >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> the >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> pricing will be except like I said I feel drop the 25 and add 5000. >JTL> >JTL>> So what does my rambling mean? >JTL> >JTL>> If you have Imail standalone with/with out a current SA I recommend >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> the >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> following: >JTL>> If you have under 100 users, wait for the new SA pricing. >JTL>> If you have over 1000 users, purchase a Imail Professional SA now. >JTL>> If you are between those amounts, you could save some money or spend >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> a >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> little more money if you buy a SA right now. >JTL> >JTL>> It also means I will continue to use Imail and offer my >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> support/assistance >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> to others when I can, continue to offer Imail support services to >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> clients >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> and once again offer Imail as a possible solution for clients. >JTL> >JTL>> John T >JTL>> eServices For You >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL>> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >JTL>> List Archive: >JTL>> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ >JTL>> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> ---- >JTL> Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. >JTL> [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net >JTL> (972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049 >JTL> ---- >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >JTL> List Archive: >JTL> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ >JTL> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ >JTL> > >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >JTL> List Archive: >JTL> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ >JTL> Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> >JTL> > > >---- >Don Brown - Dallas, Texas USA Internet Concepts, Inc. >[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetconcepts.net >(972) 788-2364 Fax: (972) 788-5049 >---- > > >To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ >Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > > > >[This E-mail scanned for viruses by Computer Technologies Ltd >www.ctec.co.nz] > > >To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ >Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/
