----- Original Message -----
From: "Sanford Whiteman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "R. Scott Perry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 3:39 PM
Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Attn: Declude Confirm users who have upgraded to
IMail 7.06HF1


> Scott,
>
> > FYI,  we  have  just  found  out  that  this can cause problems with
> > Declude Virus and F-Prot (which uses the 8.3 file names). This needs
> > to  be  set  to 0 if using Declude Virus and F-Prot (and likely some
> > other scanners, as well).
>
> Thanks.  Interesting  caveat  (or,  "Wow,  that sucks."). Seems like a
> security  hole  to me. I know that Frisk is on top of the internals of
> scanning, but it seems they need to look at the externals a little bit
> as  well. Scenario: I write a brand-new virus whose payload is turning
> off  SFN  auto-create;  even  if  they  update their sigs to catch the
> Registry entry, all of the files created in the interim will always be
> invisible, even if they contain age-old viruses.
>
Your proposed virus would actually have to execute on the (supposedly secure)
mail server, and in a context that it could actually change the registry.  If
an admin allows anything close to that scenario, he has more problems than
potentially passing a virus.

I would imagine that fpcmd.exe (the 32 bit console command line version)
included with the Win version of F-Prot would function OK.  It's also not a
problem with the on-access stuff, or the Windows GUI on-demand scanner.  IOW,
it's not an F-Prot problem.

Problem is most are using the "DOS" F-Prot.exe with Declude, as fpcmd is
relatively new.

Turning off SFNs should never be done until a full audit of everything that
will be run on a box is done.  Even some "32bit" stuff will break.

A busy mail server is one of the few applications it could make a real
difference though, but I still prefer for programs to stick to 8.3 wherever
possible. They were currently only using hex based numbering for the filename,
I would have gone to base36 numbering before moving past 8.3 conventions.

Jerry


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