As the late great Douglas Adams said "anyone that wants to be in power is by definition unfit to be so"
----- Original Message ----- From: "David Keefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 5:10 PM Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] New Bill says we have to store email for 90 days! > Your right a politician is a politician. > But everything bad started after Bush got in. > > That's why we need someone who is not controller by money. > Problem is ALL politicians are. :( > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of sonicwallroc > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 11:59 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] New Bill says we have to store email for 90 > days! > > > Don't blame just Bush for this David. There's a split house and senate > and either of them could have shot down any of this if they actually > wanted to. There is NO difference between the two major parties no > matter what they say. > > Lew > > David Keefer wrote: > > > Jeff, > > > > Did you now you lost almost all of your rights with Bush running the > > country. > > > > Vote for Dilbert in 2004!!! :) > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jeff Demel > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 10:23 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [IMail Forum] New Bill says we have to store email for 90 > > > days! > > > > Gathering evidence without a court order or search warrant to capture > > personal, private e-mails of a "suspicious" user??? > > > > What happened to innocent until proven guilty, or due process, or some > > > such right we're supposed to have? To hell with the monetary costs to > > > ISPs, what about the cost to our and our user's privacy and freedom? > > > > I haven't read the thing yet, but if you're right, this is an > > extremely frightening piece of legislation. Sounds like some fascist > > bullshit to me. > > > > -Jeff > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sheldon > > Koehler > > Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 6:03 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] New Bill says we have to store email for 90 > > days! > > > > > yeah, but if you read the amendments that have been attached to the > > > bill, they state that the government will compensate for expenses > > > incurred by conformity to the bill. I don't think they realize how > > > much money this will cost the taxpayer. > > > > I did some more research myself. The 90 days is only if you notice > > something suspicious and you only need to log everything for that > > person(s). > > > > This may actually turn into a favorable bill. It gives us as ISP's the > > > right to monitor a suspicious user without a court order. We need not > > divulge the information, but we are protected from liability while > > collecting it waiting for the search warrant to be produced. > > > > Time will only tell what it will look like once it gets voted on > > though... > > > > Sheldon > > > > Sheldon Koehler, Owner/Partner http://www.tenforward.com > > Ten Forward Communications 360-457-9023 > > Nationwide access with neighborhood support! > > > > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to > > pause and reflect." 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