----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeffery Rehm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 7:21 PM
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Sending Through Gateway Host


> I have an account with a provider that is a 'pure' ISP that I've had
pretty
> much since they formed back in the early eighties.  The only thing they
have
> in place is that they have blocked access to newgroups that promote child
> pornography, you must authenticate to access newsgroups, and you must
> authenticate to relay mail if you are not connected via their circuits.
>
> Now in the last few years, they felt a responsibility to try to curtail
some
> of the spam their users were receiving and to also provide virus scanning
> for their subscribers that use email accounts hosted by them.  From the
> start they provided the anti-spam service for free.  The AV was an
> additional 2 bucks a month for about a year and now they are providing
that
> free also.
>
> The cool thing is the subscriber has total control over their anti-spam
and
> anti-virus.  If they don't want it they are not required to use it.  If
they
> do want it, they control the level they want.  The ISP does not dictate
what
> the customer can do, nor do they impose restrictions based on what THEY
feel
> a customer needs.  They have dial-up in major cities, which works for most
> travelers.
>
> But, for some reason I cannot get business customers to switch to them for
> dial-up use by traveling employees.  It is not an issue of the ISP not
> having local dial-up numbers where these people spend most of their time.
I
> sense it is more a matter of this ISP not having a certain 'branding' and
> they are looked upon as a mom & pop operation, which they really are, but
> you wouldn't know it based on the level of service they provide.


Generally a 'Mom & Pop' business gives better service at a higher price.
The mentality of the AOL's of the world is that they can give cheaper
service because they make it up in bulk, and they can have a lower level of
service because even if they lose a few customers they have plenty more.

>
> It's is funny how this ISP can operate they way they do and not have to
> impose the unjustifiably draconian measures of other major providers.
They
> may lose some 'lemmings' to the major providers because you need to know
how
> to use a browser with ISP's such as this, but they probably gain a few
> customers that have risen from lemmingville and have actually decided to
> learn how to really use the resources of the Internet instead of letting a
> bunch of empty suits lead by the nose with butterflys and little yellow
> guys.
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sanford Whiteman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Jeffery Rehm" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 20:24
> Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Sending Through Gateway Host
>
>
> > > Bottom line is that providers stupidly want to protect themselves at
> > > the expense of customers. They bank on thinking that the majority of
> > > their  customers  are  regular old dumb residential types that won't
> > > know  the  difference,  and unfortunately they are right. But, legit
> > > businesses  are  treated  the  same  way unless they generate enough
> > > revenue that the ISP will make exceptions for them.
> >
> > The  conventional  wisdom  is  that,  whether  or  not  a  business is
> > "legit"--there  are  plenty  of  one-person  shops  that are well-run,
> > ethical,  etc.--a  business  that  wants  to communicate reliably from
> > multiple  locations  must  pay  for "corporate" service levels from an
> > appropriate  provider,  despite  common price-gouging for the services
> > that  are  actually  in use (which in many cases are actually fewer in
> > number  than  the  services  used by individual customers: a corporate
> > user   likely   wouldn't   use   their  @earthlink.net  accout,  their
> > www.earthlink.net/username web page builder, etc.).
> >
> > The  alternative  to  seeking  out a provider that explicitly uses the
> > "corporate"  or  "business"  buzzword  is  to  find  one  that  offers
> > unrestricted  access  to  all  subscribers,  more in tune with the old
> > Utopian  model.  I  prefer  to use one of these full-service providers
> > whenever possible, since I generally find that model more ethical. Yet
> > you often end up paying more for more honest service, and can't always
> > find it.
> >
> > In   both  cases,  it's  *you*,  the  informed  consultant,  providing
> > value-added  IT  services  by finding an appropriate provider for your
> > customer.  The  problem is when you're not even given a *chance* to do
> > this  because  ELN or AOL has blitzed the lemmings with marketing, and
> > you're  left  fumfering, "You should have let me tell you so...." That
> > always  sucks.  Maybe  someone should syndicate a few different "white
> > papers" (rather than the usual greenscreen techie rants, and ones that
> > definitely  don't  use the word "lemmings") so businesses of all kinds
> > can  see how wrong these providers are for them, and make sure they're
> > linked  to by lots of independent consultants, rather than directly by
> > ISPs, whose motives would be suspicious.
> >
> > -Sandy
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> > Sanford Whiteman, Chief Technologist
> > Broadleaf Systems, a division of
> > Cypress Integrated Systems, Inc.
> > e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> >
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