Oh, yeah, I also forgot to mention that sending them email from Hotmail or
Yahoo works fine.  I attribute this to Imail being less forgiving of DNS
errors than the Yahoo or Hotmail servers.  Is that correct?  For instance,
as John showed, querying directly for the MX record seems to work, but not
when you try to follow the logical path from the root servers you can't get
there.  How does that work?  How can a direct query return the MX records
when there are no NS records for the domain?

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of R. Scott Perry
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:21 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] OT: DNS guru's help, I need ammo


>[EMAIL PROTECTED] is sending a message through my server, 
>mail.taisweb.net, to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>My log files show the following:
>SMTP (bb620b6e00fc1d1c) processing S:\imail\spool\Qbb620b6e00fc1d1c.SMD
>SMTP (bb620b6e00fc1d1c) [x] looking up e911.yanceycounty.org in HOSTS 
>and MX SMTP (bb620b6e00fc1d1c) [x] looking up e911.yanceycounty.org by 
>stack SMTP (bb620b6e00fc1d1c) [x] looking up e911.yanceycounty.org in 
>HOSTS and MX SMTP (bb620b6e00fc1d1c) [x] looking up 
>e911.yanceycounty.org by stack

This means that IMail can't get the MX record for e911.yanceycounty.org.
There are *serious* problems with that domain.

>http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=yanceycounty.org 
>shows problems with the yanceycounty.org domain's DNS, and 
>http://www.dnsreport.com/tools/dnsreport.ch?domain=e911.yanceycounty.or
>g also shows (I believe) that there is no name server delegation for 
>the e911 subdomain (I'm not sure of the terminology).  What I believe 
>is happening is that, because there is no "glue" at the tld name 
>servers for the e911 subdomain, Imail is traversing the FQDN to try and 
>find name servers for the
>e911 subdomain.  This name server delegation does not exist.  Am I correct?

Someone is about to jump on that "glue" thing -- it's safe to ignore that.
What really matters is that they have an extremely bogus MX record
-- see
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/lookup.ch?name=e911.yanceycounty.org&type=MX
.  Their MX record is:

e911.yanceycounty.org.  MX      12.21.162.24. [Preference = 10]
e911.yanceycounty.org.  MX      12.21.162.24. [Preference = 20]
e911.yanceycounty.org.  MX      12.21.162.24. [Preference = 30]

The first problem is that their MX records point to IPs, not hostnames, so
it is impossible to send mail to them.  MX records contain hostnames.  So if
you try entering an IP, a mailserver will try contacting the DNS servers for
the .24 TLD -- but there is no such TLD.  The E-mail will therefore be
rejected.

The second problem is that they are *very* clueless -- all three MX records
point to the same location.  Even if they had hostnames, this means that if
a mailserver has trouble connecting, it has to try connecting to that IP 3
times, which is a waste of resources.  It's clear that they have very little
understanding of MX records.

There are more problems, but the first one here will prevent mail from
getting delivered to them.

                                                    -Scott
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