Off-Thread, but... Avoid LiveStats... anything after version 5 was clunky, slow, and unstable. We went with Urchin, and it's been GREAT. It also comes in a Linux version as well.
> -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Spaminator > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 2:53 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :( > > > > 95% of our 900 users use web messaging; they don't need or want > Outlook-like collaboration; they never use calendaring; we were > already making plans to move away from the horrible IMail > Anti-Spam Premium Edition (we had to delete the "Main" mailbox > for 170 users because of the new Bagle and Netsky viruses that > got right through Imail AV this morning (we update hourly)). > > This smells like what WebTrends recently did... we used > WebTrends Reporting Center 6 for basic reporting. It ran us > about $14k or so. With their new "pay-per-page-view" model in > WebTrends 7, their charge to us was $956,000. A YEAR. A > million bucks for basic web analytics! NO way to downgrade to > reduced functionality. After an outburst from the end users, > they're now supposedly considering it (too late, we're moving to > LiveStats). If we all speak up (as we are!), maybe IpSWitch > will listen, too. > > You'd think Ipswitch would have, you know, SURVEYED their users > to see what they would be willing to accept... > > BTW, we now know where the updates to the broken subject/reply > to issue in the 8.13 web templates is... all resources were > focused on ICS. Sorry, Ipswitch... first thing after lunch, I'm > going to look for a new platform. > > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: Martin Schaible <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 19:59:43 +0200 > > Hi, > > Last week I had a very long phone call with ipswitch about ICS > and the future of IMail. > So, Ipswitch moves to the direction "buy nothing or everthing". > The really big shock is > this, that an normal subscription will nore more be available. > > As an small ISP, we can't afford an upgrade to ICS. Simple like that. > We made a quick phone poll to our customers and everbody was > upset about this new strategy. > > Mostly all customers ha choosen IMail as a simple, powerful but > affordable Mail-Server. > About 50% are running AntiVirus Standard, the others have an > seperate Antivirus Gateway. > > As an gold partner of ipswitch, i'm really afraid to lose most > of our IMail-customers. > Our customers are *not* willing to buy things, they don't need. > > I hope, that tons of customers worldwide are also upset and > ipswitch will follow to the customer > needs and not the dreams of the marketing department. > > Or in other words: Give us IMail Pro back, including the simple > subscriptions and > offer all Gadgets seperatly. > > To answer some questions, before they will occur: > > - AntiVirus Pro or standard is included. IMail without any > AntiVirus solution is not supported. > - "Classic" Subscriptions are no longer available. > - ICS is bound to certain numbers of seats or unlimited. > > > ============================================ > Am Montag, 25. Oktober 2004 um 19:31 schrieben Sie: > > > Actually my concerns are more about the future life of Imail > as separate > > stand-alone email server. Or will it become so integrated into the > > Collaboration package that one will be forced to the package? > Also will > > Imail development/improvements take a back seat to the package? > > > John > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John > Tolmachoff > > (Lists) > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 12:16 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: [IMail Forum] Collaboration is now available :( > > Importance: High > > > I don't believe this. > > > Instead of creating an add-on package, the collaboration > package is an all > > encompassing package, including Imail, Premium Anti-Virus and > Killer Webmail > > templates. > > > This is crazy. > > > You are being asked to pay for Imail again along with paying > for "Premium > > Anit-Virus" even if you already have Imail and do not want the > Anti-Virus. > > > John Tolmachoff > > Engineer/Consultant/Owner > > eServices For You > > > > > > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ > To Unsubscribe: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html > List Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ > Knowledge Base/FAQ: http://www.ipswitch.com/support/IMail/ ============================================ -- Mit freundlichen Gr�ssen -------------------------------------------- Merlin Consulting Martin Schaible Bahnhofstrasse 27 CH-8702 Zollikon Phone: +41 1 391 30 00 Fax: +41 1 391 32 49 Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.merlinconsulting.ch Support: http://support.merlinconsulting.ch GPS: N47 20.235 E8 34.226 -------------------------------------------- News - Neue Produkte: .:. 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