In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian E Carpenter writes:

>On 2007-01-23 16:04, John C Klensin wrote:
>...
>> --On Tuesday, 23 January, 2007 15:59 +0200 Jari Arkko
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
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>>      
>> The net result of this model is that, if a document results from
>> an IETF process, it is unlikely to be published as an RFC unless
>> it receives either sponsorship or, at least a positive review
>> and recommendation, from the IESG _or_ it represents a critical
>> review of an IETF conclusion or inability to reach a conclusion.
>
>That seems to exclude publication of simply dissenting views.
>Is that the intention? Personally I am generally in favour
>of the IETF publishing "road not followed" documents, but we do
>have various instances of such things not getting published.
>Should we exclude independent submission as a backstop mechanism?

Since the IESG was created, the issue of coordinating the RFC Editor's
decisions with the IESG has been something of a third rail.  And
labeling the independent RFC series as a place to document "road
not followed" (or more vigorously dissenting opinions) in defiance of
the IESG seems an invitation to institutional conflict.

I agree this creates a challenge, namely, that one can present a road
not followed provided it never appears in a WG, but actually participating
in a WG may cause the idea to be unpublishable as an RFC (assuming
a sufficiently unreasonable AD -- I assume a reasonable AD is happy to
allow such publications).  But on balance, the current plan seems the
better of two evils.  Here's my logic.

    If the RFC Editor gets to publish road not followed documents
    over IESG objections, we have institutional clashes if either
    the RFC Editor is unreasonable or an AD is unreasonable.

    If the IESG gets to determine if road not followed documents
    are published, then the only clash is unreasonable AD with
    authors.

Thanks!

Craig

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