Thanks a lot, Dr. Soares, I was just waiting for this second point to be pronounced. It makes some sense now.
- Swapna On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi, > Spoke to Dr.Almeida. > > -the original M.tinctoria [of Linnaeus] is not found in the Boriivali N.P. > It is cultivated for its dye near Nagpur. > -the M.tinctoria [of other authors] is actually M.tinctoria var.tomentosa > which is now included in M.pubescencs. > -M.citrifolia is a coastal species, but in Bombay 2 specimens can be seen > at the Zoo and at the Prince of Wales Museum. > > These references are included in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra' Vol > 3. > > With regards, > Neil Soares. > > --- On *Wed, 6/17/09, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>* wrote: > > > From: satish pardeshi <[email protected]> > Subject: [indiantreepix:13303] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) > To: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:35 AM > > > > Hello all > this plant seems to me as Morinda citrifolia, the reason being > 1. Glossy and glabrous leaves and petiole > 2. corolla lobes not hairy. > hence it is M. citrifolia L. > also as far as i have observed the fruit of M. citrifolia become > yellow when ripe. where as that of M. tinctoria first becomes yellow > then turns to blackish. > and Yes M. tinctoria is common in Sanjay Gandhi National Park, > Borivali. > > regards > Satish Pardeshi > Consultant-Taxonomist > GSDG, CDAC, Pune > > J.M. Garg wrote: > > Thanks, Prashanth ji, Neil ji, Madhuri ji & Hemath ji for the feedback. > > > > Here are some extracts from Wikipedia link: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morinda_tinctoria > > > > *Morinda tinctoria*, commonly known as *Aal* or *Indian Mulberry* (though > > these common names also refer to *Morinda > > citrifolia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morinda_citrifolia> > > *), is a species of flowering > > plant<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowering_plant>in the family > > Rubiaceae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubiaceae>, native to southern > > Asia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia> > > . > > > > It is an evergreen <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen> > > shrub<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrub>or small > > tree <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree> growing to 5-10 m tall. The > > leaves<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf>are 15-25 cm long, oblong to > > lanceolate. The > > flowers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower> are tubular, white, > scented, > > about 2 cm long. The fruit <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit> is a > green > > syncarp< > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syncarp&action=edit&redlink=1>, > > 2-2.5 cm diameter. > > > > The plant is extensively cultivated in > > India<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India>in order to make the > > morindone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morindone> dye sold under the > trade > > name "Suranji". Morindone is used for the dyeing of > > cotton<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton>, > > silk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk> and > > wool<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wool>in shades of red, chocolate or > > purple. The colouring matter is found > > principally in the root bark and is collected when the plants reach three > to > > four years of age. If the trees are allowed to mature then hardly any > > colouring substance remains. The small roots yield the most dye and those > > above about 1 cm diameter are discarded. The active substance is > extracted > > as the glucoside <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucoside> known as > > morindin< > http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morindin&action=edit&redlink=1 > >that > > upon > > hydrolysis <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolysis> produces the dye. > > Morindone is a mordant dye <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordant> giving > a > > yellowish-red colour with an aluminium mordant, chocolate with a chromium > > mordant, and dull purple to black with an iron mordant. > > > > Morindin is also present in *Morinda umbellata* but not in *Morinda > > longiflora*, a native of West Africa< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Africa>. > > Although imported into Britain <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK> and > applied > > to wool and cotton, the dye did not find commercial success. > > > > 2009/6/17 Hemanth > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think, the images belong to *M. tinctoria.* > > > > > > > > > > > > *M. citrifolia:* has smooth, shiny and light green leaves. The leaves > have > > > citric smell and fruits are not that precisely lobed as seen in M. > > > tinctoria. > > > > > > *M. tomentosa :* the leaves are a bit bigger in size compared to M. > > > tinctoria. Leaves of M. tomentosa are tomentose I.e. with smooth hairs/ > > > velvety. The texture is very soft. > > > > > > *M. tinctoria:* the leaves are shiny but darker and not as smooth or > > > glabrous as M. citrifolia or not as velvety as M. tomentosa. > > > > > > * * > > > > > > *M. tinctoria* is very common around and is wild. I am seeing *M. > > > tinctoria* in Borivali NP since 7 years. *M. tomentosa* is also seen > wild > > > mixed with *M. tinctoria. * > > > > > > > > > > > > And hey, there can’t be any rule to the number of fruit ends i.e. no > hard > > > and fast rule on the 12 ends. It should be a misconception that > baratondi > > > should always have 12 ends. I have seen *M. tinctoria *with more than > 14 > > > ends and less than 12 ends also. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cultivation: *M. tinctoria* and *M. tomentosa* are wild and common in > > > forests. *M. citrifolia *I think is the cultivated one as I have seen > this > > > species only in gardens (there is one in byculla zoo also, checkout) > > > > > > > > > > > > Experts correct me if I am wrong ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > - Hemanth > > > > > > (the unemployed plant explorer ;) > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* > > > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>[mailto: > > > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>] > *On Behalf Of > *[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:46 PM > > > *To:* J.M. Garg > > > *Cc:* > > > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > *Subject:* [indiantreepix:13277] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Mr.Garg, > > > > > > It is Morinda citrifolia. > > > > > > M.pubescens [M.tomentosa] has hairy [tomentose] leaves whereas in > > > M.citrifolia they are larger and glabrous. Also M.citrifolia has > fragrant > > > flowes. > > > > > > Incidentally M.tinctoria is not found in the Borivali N.P. and is > > > cultivated more along the coast. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Neil Soares. > > > > > > --- On *Tue, 6/16/09, J.M. Garg > > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>* > wrote: > > > > > > > > > From: J.M. Garg > > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > Subject: [indiantreepix:13265] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) > > > To: "Prashant awale" > > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > Cc: "indiantreepix" > > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:12 PM > > > > > > Thanks, Prashant ji. > > > > > > How to differentiate between two species i.e. *Morinda pubescens* & > *Morinda > > > citrifolia? *They look similar to me while going through Shrikant ji's > > > book. > > > > > > 2009/6/16 Prashant awale > > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Garg Ji, > > > > > > Good snaps. I think this should be "Morinda pubescens". We call it > > > "Baratondi" due to around 12+ buldges on its fruit.. > > > > > > best wishes > > > Prashant.. > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:47 AM, J.M. Garg > > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> > <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Tree I saw in Guntur, A.P. It was flowering on 28/4/09 & it's jasmine > > > like smell attracted me towards it. I found the flower heads & fruits > quite > > > interesting in shape. > > > > > > I hope Id is OK. > > > -- > > > With regards, > > > J.M.Garg > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > > > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora > etc. > > > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg > > > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- > Indiantreepix: > > > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > With regards, > > > J.M.Garg > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > > > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora > etc. > > > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): > > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg > > > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- > Indiantreepix: > > > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > With regards, > > J.M.Garg > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora > etc. > > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg > > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- > Indiantreepix: > > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > > > > -- Dr. Swapna Prabhu Systematic Botanist/ Taxonomist Bombay Natural History Society Hornbil House, Shahid Bhagat Singh Marg Dr. Salim Ali Chawk Mumbai - 400 001. 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