Hi Prashant, is the photograph of bartondi posted by you of baratondi , the recent one. Because I am observing these planst from last month or so, but haven't seen the flowers on it.
2009/6/18 Prashant awale <[email protected]> > Dear Friends, > > Do have a look at this photo too. (Photographed at Mumbai, Chembur). > > Thanks & best wishes > Prashant. > > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Swapna Prabhu <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Dr. Soares, >> >> I was just waiting for this second point to be pronounced. It makes some >> sense now. >> >> - Swapna >> >> >> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 6:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> Spoke to Dr.Almeida. >>> >>> -the original M.tinctoria [of Linnaeus] is not found in the Boriivali >>> N.P. It is cultivated for its dye near Nagpur. >>> -the M.tinctoria [of other authors] is actually M.tinctoria var.tomentosa >>> which is now included in M.pubescencs. >>> -M.citrifolia is a coastal species, but in Bombay 2 specimens can be seen >>> at the Zoo and at the Prince of Wales Museum. >>> >>> These references are included in Dr.Almeida's ' Flora of Maharashtra' >>> Vol 3. >>> >>> With regards, >>> Neil Soares. >>> >>> --- On *Wed, 6/17/09, satish pardeshi <[email protected]>* wrote: >>> >>> >>> From: satish pardeshi <[email protected]> >>> Subject: [indiantreepix:13303] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) >>> To: "indiantreepix" <[email protected]> >>> Date: Wednesday, June 17, 2009, 11:35 AM >>> >>> >>> >>> Hello all >>> this plant seems to me as Morinda citrifolia, the reason being >>> 1. Glossy and glabrous leaves and petiole >>> 2. corolla lobes not hairy. >>> hence it is M. citrifolia L. >>> also as far as i have observed the fruit of M. citrifolia become >>> yellow when ripe. where as that of M. tinctoria first becomes yellow >>> then turns to blackish. >>> and Yes M. tinctoria is common in Sanjay Gandhi National Park, >>> Borivali. >>> >>> regards >>> Satish Pardeshi >>> Consultant-Taxonomist >>> GSDG, CDAC, Pune >>> >>> J.M. Garg wrote: >>> > Thanks, Prashanth ji, Neil ji, Madhuri ji & Hemath ji for the feedback. >>> > >>> > Here are some extracts from Wikipedia link: >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morinda_tinctoria >>> > >>> > *Morinda tinctoria*, commonly known as *Aal* or *Indian Mulberry* >>> (though >>> > these common names also refer to *Morinda >>> > citrifolia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morinda_citrifolia> >>> > *), is a species of flowering >>> > plant<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flowering_plant>in the family >>> > Rubiaceae <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rubiaceae>, native to southern >>> > Asia<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asia> >>> > . >>> > >>> > It is an evergreen <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen> >>> > shrub<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrub>or small >>> > tree <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree> growing to 5-10 m tall. The >>> > leaves<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaf>are 15-25 cm long, oblong to >>> > lanceolate. The >>> > flowers <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flower> are tubular, white, >>> scented, >>> > about 2 cm long. The fruit <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit> is a >>> green >>> > syncarp< >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Syncarp&action=edit&redlink=1 >>> >, >>> > 2-2.5 cm diameter. >>> > >>> > The plant is extensively cultivated in >>> > India<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India>in order to make the >>> > morindone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morindone> dye sold under the >>> trade >>> > name "Suranji". Morindone is used for the dyeing of >>> > cotton<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton>, >>> > silk <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silk> and >>> > wool<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wool>in shades of red, chocolate or >>> > purple. The colouring matter is found >>> > principally in the root bark and is collected when the plants reach >>> three to >>> > four years of age. If the trees are allowed to mature then hardly any >>> > colouring substance remains. The small roots yield the most dye and >>> those >>> > above about 1 cm diameter are discarded. The active substance is >>> extracted >>> > as the glucoside <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucoside> known as >>> > morindin< >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Morindin&action=edit&redlink=1 >>> >that >>> > upon >>> > hydrolysis <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrolysis> produces the dye. >>> > Morindone is a mordant dye <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordant> >>> giving a >>> > yellowish-red colour with an aluminium mordant, chocolate with a >>> chromium >>> > mordant, and dull purple to black with an iron mordant. >>> > >>> > Morindin is also present in *Morinda umbellata* but not in *Morinda >>> > longiflora*, a native of West Africa< >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Africa>. >>> > Although imported into Britain <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UK> and >>> applied >>> > to wool and cotton, the dye did not find commercial success. >>> > >>> > 2009/6/17 Hemanth >>> > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > I think, the images belong to *M. tinctoria.* >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > *M. citrifolia:* has smooth, shiny and light green leaves. The leaves >>> have >>> > > citric smell and fruits are not that precisely lobed as seen in M. >>> > > tinctoria. >>> > > >>> > > *M. tomentosa :* the leaves are a bit bigger in size compared to M. >>> > > tinctoria. Leaves of M. tomentosa are tomentose I.e. with smooth >>> hairs/ >>> > > velvety. The texture is very soft. >>> > > >>> > > *M. tinctoria:* the leaves are shiny but darker and not as smooth or >>> > > glabrous as M. citrifolia or not as velvety as M. tomentosa. >>> > > >>> > > * * >>> > > >>> > > *M. tinctoria* is very common around and is wild. I am seeing *M. >>> > > tinctoria* in Borivali NP since 7 years. *M. tomentosa* is also seen >>> wild >>> > > mixed with *M. tinctoria. * >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > And hey, there can’t be any rule to the number of fruit ends i.e. no >>> hard >>> > > and fast rule on the 12 ends. It should be a misconception that >>> baratondi >>> > > should always have 12 ends. I have seen *M. tinctoria *with more than >>> 14 >>> > > ends and less than 12 ends also. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Cultivation: *M. tinctoria* and *M. tomentosa* are wild and common in >>> > > forests. *M. citrifolia *I think is the cultivated one as I have seen >>> this >>> > > species only in gardens (there is one in byculla zoo also, checkout) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Experts correct me if I am wrong ;) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > - Hemanth >>> > > >>> > > (the unemployed plant explorer ;) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > *From:* >>> > > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>[mailto: >>> > > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>] >>> *On Behalf Of >>> *[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 16, 2009 10:46 PM >>> > > *To:* J.M. Garg >>> > > *Cc:* >>> > > [email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > > *Subject:* [indiantreepix:13277] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Hi Mr.Garg, >>> > > >>> > > It is Morinda citrifolia. >>> > > >>> > > M.pubescens [M.tomentosa] has hairy [tomentose] leaves whereas in >>> > > M.citrifolia they are larger and glabrous. Also M.citrifolia has >>> fragrant >>> > > flowes. >>> > > >>> > > Incidentally M.tinctoria is not found in the Borivali N.P. and is >>> > > cultivated more along the coast. >>> > > >>> > > With regards, >>> > > >>> > > Neil Soares. >>> > > >>> > > --- On *Tue, 6/16/09, J.M. Garg >>> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>* >>> wrote: >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > From: J.M. Garg >>> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> > > Subject: [indiantreepix:13265] Re: Morinda citrifolia (Noni) >>> > > To: "Prashant awale" >>> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> > > Cc: "indiantreepix" >>> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > >>> > > Date: Tuesday, June 16, 2009, 9:12 PM >>> > > >>> > > Thanks, Prashant ji. >>> > > >>> > > How to differentiate between two species i.e. *Morinda pubescens* & >>> *Morinda >>> > > citrifolia? *They look similar to me while going through Shrikant >>> ji's >>> > > book. >>> > > >>> > > 2009/6/16 Prashant awale >>> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > Dear Garg Ji, >>> > > >>> > > Good snaps. I think this should be "Morinda pubescens". We call it >>> > > "Baratondi" due to around 12+ buldges on its fruit.. >>> > > >>> > > best wishes >>> > > Prashant.. >>> > > >>> > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 8:47 AM, J.M. Garg >>> > > <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]> >>> <http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>> >>> > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Tree I saw in Guntur, A.P. It was flowering on 28/4/09 & it's >>> jasmine >>> > > like smell attracted me towards it. I found the flower heads & fruits >>> quite >>> > > interesting in shape. >>> > > >>> > > I hope Id is OK. >>> > > -- >>> > > With regards, >>> > > J.M.Garg >>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> > > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora >>> etc. >>> > > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>> > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >>> > > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >>> Indiantreepix: >>> > > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > With regards, >>> > > J.M.Garg >>> > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> > > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> > > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora >>> etc. >>> > > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>> > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >>> > > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >>> Indiantreepix: >>> > > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -- >>> > With regards, >>> > J.M.Garg >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>> > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>> > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora >>> etc. >>> > (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg >>> > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- >>> Indiantreepix: >>> > http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Dr. Swapna Prabhu >> Systematic Botanist/ Taxonomist >> Bombay Natural History Society >> Hornbil House, Shahid Bhagat Singh Marg >> Dr. Salim Ali Chawk >> Mumbai - 400 001. >> India. >> >> >> >> > > > > -- Regards Rajesh Sachdev ------------------------------------------------------------ www.rajesh-sachdev.blogspot.com --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. 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