Dear members, I think the discussion will be unending with pros & cons on everything including this topic. I thank all the participants for contributing their frank views on the matter, which only shows how much one cares for this group "Indiantreepix'.
Question was only from my side, as I update the database, as below: "........ I don't know how to go about it. It may take me sometime to comprehend the whole thing. ........" As on date, I will be trying to give Author name along with the Bot. names to be more specific (it hardly complicates anything while adding value to our members)- to start with for new addition to the Database or the the plants, where there are chances of confusion (as pointed out by Singh ji for the few species in this thread). May be I get to comprehend the things over time & look for expanding, provided time is available or somebody else takes up the job of updating the database (as it keeps me away from wonderful discussions that take place on this group, helping members with Ids & learning a lot in the process). *I close this thread here only & request members not to give any more feedbacks in the matter*. 2009/9/6 Pankaj Oudhia <[email protected]> > > Thanks Guruchahran ji for your comments. I work with Traditional > Healers. They don't have basic modern education. They are not aware > whether ovary is superior or inferior but still they identify the > plants without any mistake. There is no chance of mistake as they have > to use it for patients. Small error may lead to the death of patients. > They identify plants from distance. I have observed that they have far > more information than our standard floras have. They don't use modern > scientific names (and methods of quoting it) but still they know much > more than the socalled experts. Ayurveda is in front of us as example, > without modern complexities of modern nomenclature. > > I feel that along with adopting modern science there is need to learn > methods of ancient science specially for plant identification. I show > my pictures to Traditional Healers. Without any delay they identify it > from picture. They don't ask for pictures of all parts. They identify > it even from one or two leaf stage. I feel that we must learn this art > of identification, instead of wasting time to "please" the western > researchers. Lets world follow our system of nomenclature if they want > to learn from Indian experiences. > > Please correct me, if I am wrong. > > regards > > Pankaj Oudhia > > On Sun, Sep 6, 2009 at 8:39 AM, Gurcharan Singh<[email protected]> wrote: > > Amit ji, Padmani ji and other nonbotany colleagues > > > > All of us are bound by one thing: Love for photography, love for nature > and > > curiosity to know what plant I have clicked. In that no one is botanist > or > > nonbotanist. All of us also want our plant to be identified correctly, > and > > it is here that botanical names come in handy, and they are more > meaningful > > when author name is attached. > > > > No garden lover would have miised the common garden flower cornflower. We > > all also know that it is botanically Centaurea cyanus, but incidently it > is > > also known as bachelor's button, blue bottle, ragged robin. If you search > > for blue bottle on the internet, you will reach Centaurea cyanus, Muscari > > neglectum, species of Gentiana or even an insect Calliphora vomitoria. > > Safeda for us in Delhi and elsewhere is Eucalyptus spp. but if ask any > one > > from Kashmir for a twig of Safeda, he/she will give you Populus spp. All > > these problems are not there when using botanical name. Each species will > > have only one accepted scientific name, known all over the world. You can > > extract all common names for this plant, not vice versa as indicated > above. > > > > And now the names with authors. I will just give you just yesterday's > > example.Swagat ji (17625) uploaded a photograph which I identified as > Atropa > > acuminata Royle., appropriately known as Indian belladona, a very > important > > medicinal plant common in Himalayas. If you look for its description in > > Older Indian books you will find it identified as A. belladona Linn., the > > European bellodona L. which looks totally different (see it on Flowers of > > India-often cultivated in gardens). So won't you like to know whether > your > > plant is belladona (deadly-nightshade) or Indian belladona. Botanically > it > > can be written (as per present practice in Indiantreepix and Flowers of > > India): > > > > Atropa acuminata Syn: A. belladona > > > > What is your opinion is it correct? > > > > or else this one is better: > > > > Atropa acuminata Royle Sy: A. belladona Clarke (non > L.) > > > > Make your choice, shortcut and confusion or clarity. > > > > Not to forget,many experts here in the group burn midnight oil to see > that > > your plants are correctly identified. A plant sent by me at 1.30 in night > > was identified by Pankaj ji at 2.15 at night. We can all see the efforts > > and contributions of Kenneth to see that our plants are correctly > > identified. All have love for plants and passion for photography. > > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College > > University of Delhi, Delhi > > India > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Amit Ray > > To: J.M. Garg > > Cc: Gurcharan Singh ; Pankaj Kumar ; [email protected] ; > > [email protected] > > Sent: Sunday, September 06, 2009 6:46 AM > > Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:17715] Re: Botanical names in Indian > Treetreepix > > and Flowers of India databases > > I concur with this opinion. Indiantreepix is tending to get a bit too > > scientific for me. Please do not get me wrong. I am a lay person with > love > > for photography and nature and that is what has drawn me to this group > when > > Garg-ji started it. I do appreciate the help provided by the experts. > This > > is just my opinion - many probably will not agree. Thanks and regards to > all > > of you. > > > > On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 11:43 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> Some feedback: > >> "Would it be expecting too much for the site to stay simple and > >> interesting for non-botanists? > >> > >> Or could the more specialised and higher level discussions be put on a > >> different link so as not to intimidate the lay plant-lover? > >> > >> (Just a suggestion, which I hope is taken impartially.) > >> > >> Padmini Raghavan." > >> > >> 2009/9/5 Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > >>> > >>> Thanks Pankaj ji for information. We are students all our life, and > there > >>> is nothing better than learning few things. > >>> Nothing to feel apologitic > >>> > >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >>> Associate Professor > >>> SGTB Khalsa College > >>> University of Delhi, Delhi > >>> India > >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pankaj Kumar" > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> To: "J.M. Garg" <[email protected]> > >>> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > >>> Sent: Saturday, September 05, 2009 6:35 PM > >>> Subject: [indiantreepix:17683] Re: Botanical names in Indian > Treetreepix > >>> and Flowers of India databases > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> With due respects to Dr. Gurcharan Singh, > >>>> > >>>> For author citations, according to ICBN, it is recommended that > >>>> abbreviations needs to be followed for authors using following > >>>> reference (RECOMMENDATION 46A, ICBN): > >>>> > >>>> Brummitt, R. K. and C. E. Powell. 1992. Authors of plant names: a list > >>>> of authors of scientific names of plants, with recommended standard > >>>> forms of their names, including abbreviations. Royal Botanic Gardens, > >>>> Kew. > >>>> > >>>> There are various editions of this book, which keep updating > >>>> information with the new author names and their abbreviations. > >>>> > >>>> So, Carolus Linnaeus is cited as 'L.' and not as 'Linn.' and > >>>> Jean-Baptiste Lamarck is cited as 'Lam.' and not as 'Lamk.'. > >>>> > >>>> Some of these abbreviations are present at the following site: > >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_botanists_by_author_abbreviation > >>>> > >>>> The latest code of ICBN: Vienna Code is available at the following > >>>> link for free: > >>>> http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/main.htm > >>>> > >>>> I am sending this information just incase members want it to be > >>>> standardized properly, for use by both taxonomists as well as > >>>> non-botanists. > >>>> > >>>> Regards > >>>> > >>>> Pankaj > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> With regards, > >> J.M.Garg ([email protected]) > >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > >> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > >> Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora > etc. > >> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): > >> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg > >> For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- > >> Indiantreepix:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en > >> > >> > >> clear=all> > >> -- > >> Amit Ray > >> 25B Central Road > >> Kolkata 700032 > >> India > >> URL: http://wildlifeindia.freehostia.com > >> Phone: +91 033 24136034 > >> Mobile: +919433715107 > >> Email: > >> 1) [email protected] > >> 2) [email protected] > >> 3) [email protected] > >> 4) [email protected] > >> 5) [email protected] > >> 6) [email protected] > >> 7) [email protected] > >> 8) [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > -- With regards, J.M.Garg ([email protected]) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- Indiantreepix: http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. 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