Good to see this lively discussion!
The original reference for Ipomoe clarkei, Flora of British India,
describes I. clarkei as having ovate-lanceshaped leaves. Leaves are
deeply heart-shaped at the base, with a long pointed tip. It does not
say anything at all about the leaves being 3-lobed. Also the flowers
are described as being more than 1 inch in size, larger than Ipomoea
obscura flowers, which many people would have seen:
http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Obscure%20Morning%20Glory.html
(I sometimes get very irritated with botanists for not mentioning a
simple thing like the color of the flower!)
Now I am sure Niel's flowers are less than 2 cm (Neil, do let me
know if it is otherwise). Also, the leaves are sometimes entire-heart-
shaped and sometimes 3-lobed. Which makes me strongly believe it to be
Ipomoea triloba. Maybe foreigners (exotics) have infilitrated Neil's
property without him realizing it! ;-)
Coming to Pravin's flower, the leaves seem to agree with the
description if I. clarkei quite well, but the flowers *appear to be*
large. Pravin, do you remember the approximate size of the flowers?
The sepals of I. clarkei are supposed to be narrow, linear - a bud in
Pravin's pic does show narrow linear sepals.
I am very keen to know the identity of Pravin's flower - if it is
indeed an Ipomoea, it would be the only yellow Ipomoea I know!
Best wishes
- Tabish
On Sep 27, 12:15 pm, Satish Phadke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Flowers of Ipomoea from diff. species may look similar.
> I think what Neil is trying to stress is because of the leaf pattern in his
> plant which is in favour of *I. clarkei*. I think we request Neil to send
> some more pictures of the leaves esp. depicting petiole, bract if any etc.
> As per Mah BSI Flora(Sorry I don,t have Almeida's)
> the plant of *I clarkei* are described as below
> No mention of colour of flower !
> Leaves 5-9bye4-6 cm, broadly ovate, finely acuminate, hairy on both
> surfaces, base deeply cordate with rounded lobes; petiole 2.5 to6 cm.
> Inflorescence 1-3 flowered cyme.Peduncle 2-4cm long, slender. Bracts minute,
> lanceolate, acute, sparsely hairy and ciliate. Corolla 3-4 cm long. Capsule
> 1.5 cm long ovoid.
> Waiting for opinions .....
> Satish Phadke
> BTW attaching my picture of *I. triloba *clicked today in another mail.
>
> 2009/9/27 Prashant awale <[email protected]>
>
>
>
> > Dear Dinesh,
> > Have a look at following Davesgarden link.
>
> >http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/171509/
>
> > (This Ipomoea is very common and i could see many at the outskirts of
> > Mumbai.)
> > best wishes
> > Prashant
>
> > On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, Dinesh Valke
> > <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> >> Neil ji, Prashant, a pictorial reference I referred is
> >>http://www.exot-nutz-zier.de/impressionen_convolvulaceae_i1.htm
> >> Regards.
>
> >> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:48 AM, Neil Soares <[email protected]>wrote:
>
> >>> Hi Prashant,
> >>> The plant featured in this link does not match the description of
> >>> Ipomea triloba given either in Ingalhalikar's or Dr. Almeida's book.
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Neil.
>
> >>> --- On *Sat, 9/26/09, Prashant awale <[email protected]>* wrote:
>
> >>> From: Prashant awale <[email protected]>
> >>> Subject: Re: [indiantreepix:19556] Re: Ipomoea clarkei
> >>> To: "Neil Soares" <[email protected]>
> >>> Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 11:13 PM
>
> >>> Dear Neil ji,
>
> >>> I had seen them many in and around Mumbai and even during few treks in
> >>> Panvel region. My ID was based on following "daves garden" link...
> >>>http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/showimage/171509/
>
> >>> I think, probably Dinesh also must have referred the same link..
>
> >>> Thanks & best wishes
>
> >>> Prashant
>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Neil Soares
> >>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >>> > wrote:
>
> >>>> Thanks Prashant. Ipomea triloba is a naturalised exotic plant.
> >>>> Generally don't have exotic plants on my property.
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Neil Soares.
>
> >>>> --- On *Sat, 9/26/09, Prashant awale
> >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >>>> >* wrote:
>
> >>>> From: Prashant awale
> >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
> >>>> Subject: [indiantreepix:19556] Re: Ipomoea clarkei
> >>>> To: "Neil Soares"
> >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
> >>>> Cc: "Dinesh Valke"
> >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>>,
> >>>> "indiantreepix"
> >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...>>,
> >>>> "Pravin Kawale"
> >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
> >>>> Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 10:49 PM
>
> >>>> Dear Neil ji,
> >>>> I am also having few photographs of the pink flower which u had
> >>>> photographed. I thought it is Ipomoea triloba?
> >>>> best wishes
> >>>> Prashant
>
> >>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Neil Soares
> >>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>> Hi Dinesh,
> >>>>> Took this photograph last week. Figure this is also Ipomea clarkei.
> >>>>> Regards,
> >>>>> Neil
>
> >>>>> --- On *Sat, 9/26/09, Dinesh Valke
> >>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >>>>> >* wrote:
>
> >>>>> From: Dinesh Valke
> >>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
> >>>>> Subject: [indiantreepix:19541] Re: Ipomoea clarkei
> >>>>> To: "Neil Soares"
> >>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
> >>>>> Cc: "indiantreepix"
> >>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...>>,
> >>>>> "Pravin Kawale"
> >>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
> >>>>> Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 8:18 PM
>
> >>>>> ... Neil ji, can we have more views?
> >>>>> Regards.
>
> >>>>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2009 at 1:22 PM, Neil Soares
> >>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >>>>> > wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Hi Pravin,
> >>>>>> Beautiful photographs!!! Presume your identification is based on
> >>>>>> Ingalhalikar's Vol. 2.
> >>>>>> Sending you my photograph identified as Ipomea clarkei by Dr.Almeida
> >>>>>> at my property at Shahapur.
> >>>>>> Hopefully someone will be able to throw some light us on this issue.
> >>>>>> With regards,
> >>>>>> Neil Soares.
>
> >>>>>> --- On *Sat, 9/26/09, Pravin Kawale
> >>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
> >>>>>> >* wrote:
>
> >>>>>> From: Pravin Kawale
> >>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/[email protected]>
>
> >>>>>> Subject: [indiantreepix:19526] Ipomoea clarkei
> >>>>>> To: "indiantreepix"
> >>>>>> <[email protected]<http://us.mc339.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=indiantree...@googlegrou...>
>
> >>>>>> Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 11:05 AM
>
> >>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>> Flowers of Ipomoea clarkei
> >>>>>> Marathi name Sonpungali
> >>>>>> At Kanakeshwar
> >>>>>> 26/09/2009
> >>>>>> Thanks
>
> >>>>>> DSC06613.JPG
> >>>>>> DSC06611.JPG
> >>>>>> DSC06618.JPG
>
> >>>>>> These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google.
> >>>>>> Try it out here:http://picasa.google.com/
>
> --
>
> http:// satishphadke.blogspot.com
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