Ok Sir, However, other species described in FI are -
1. *C. colocynthis* L. 2. *C. melo* L. 3. *C. sativus* L. 4. *C. trigonis* Roxb. (*trigonus*) 5. *C. turbinatus* Roxb. 6. *C. madraspatanus* L. (*maderaspatanas*) 7. *C. integrifolia* Roxb. Thank you Regards surajit On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 9:16 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> wrote: > Also important to mention that in Indian works the name C. *utilissimus *has > been much confused, often applied to C. flexuousus, the tar or kakri, of > course wrongly as link by Surajit ji shows, and the following discussion in > Fl. Pakistan > > http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250077273 > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 8:12 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: > >> Thanks Surajit >> We seem to be moving towards Cucumis melo in place of Cucumis sativus as >> suggested by most websites. >> >> I seem to have both C. momordica, commonly grown in rajasthan with >> pinkish-yellow skin and flesh. It is now Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. >> momordica >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cucumis$20momordica/indiantreepix/hEfwrm2XtQw/-2S9IRmaAccJ >> >> C. agrestris susbp. agrestris var. conomon (the new name for C. >> utillisimus Roxb.) I think is also different. I seem to have it. >> >> >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Cucumis$20conomon/indiantreepix/ei0yO-n_CiI/kg5xxbQkcREJ >> >> I have asked my son to send me more photographs of Dosakaya from >> California, with section through the flesh, because flesh of var. dudaim is >> very distinct more like our Sarda fruit. I hope we should be moving towards >> it after someone finds real dosakaya vine. >> >> Thanks a lot Surajit ji for your painstaking research. >> >> -- >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 22, 2013 at 6:33 PM, surajit koley < >> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Sir, >>> >>> According to Piddington *Cucumis utilissimus* (Roxb.) is DOSKAY in >>> Telinga (p26 & p131). >>> >>> Flora Indica, vol3, p721 describes, "... leaves five lobed, lobes >>> rounded, ... fruit short-oval, smooth. variegated, of the size of small >>> melon...... appears to me to be by far the most useful species....... when >>> little more than one-half grown they are oblong, and a little downy, in >>> this state they are pickled; when ripe they are about as large as an >>> ostrich's egg, smooth and yellow....... flavour of the melon..... this >>> agriculture is chiefly confined in to the Guntoor Circar....." >>> >>> The illustration of the above - >>> http://images.kew.org/cucumis_utilissimus_roxb/print/654452.html. >>> GRIN page - http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?404418 >>> >>> Other illustrations of *Cucumis melo* & ssp - >>> http://www.plantillustrations.org/species.php?id_species=297153 >>> >>> There is another *Cucumis momordica* Roxb. - PEDDA DOSKAY in Teling; >>> FOOTI in Bengali. "from 12 to 24 inches long, and three to six in diam..... >>> fruits when ripe bursting slowly". I have seen these in market and they are >>> eaten ripe as fruits, here. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 8:26 PM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com>wrote: >>> >>>> If these two photographs really belong to dosakaya, then it is a melon >>>> (Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. dudaim). >>>> >>>> http://pallavi-foodblog.blogspot.in/2008/07/garden.html >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>> >>>> On Fri, Jun 21, 2013 at 11:53 AM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: 13 June 2013 22:11 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:157520] Dossakaya is it Cucumis sativus or >>>>> Cucumis melo subsp. agrestris var. dudaim >>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com>, Nidhan Singh < >>>>> nidhansingh...@gmail.com>, Vijayasankar Raman < >>>>> vijay.botan...@gmail.com>, Dr Santhosh Kumar <drsanthosh1...@gmail.com>, >>>>> "D.S Rawat" <drdsrawat.alpin...@gmail.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dossakaya or dosakai the common fruit used in South India in sambar >>>>> and pachari preparations has been bothering me for some time. I saw plenty >>>>> of fruits sold in Indian stores in california, although I never found them >>>>> being sold here in Delhi. >>>>> Most websites including Wikipedia identify it as Cucumis sativus, >>>>> but the shape of the fruit, its size and skin does not support this. >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cucumber >>>>> >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cucumber_dosakai.jpg >>>>> >>>>> There is one website calling it Cucumis callosus that is considered as >>>>> C. melo subsp. agrestis var. agrestis by Fl. Pakistan, but C. melo subsp. >>>>> melo by GRIN >>>>> >>>>> http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=j7fRTYqMLaI >>>>> >>>>> Yet another website considers it as C. melo subsp. agrestis var. dudaim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://chivukulakitchen.blogspot.in/2010/04/dosakaya-pacchadi-round-yellow-cucumber.html >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This last one looks more logical as fruits resemble pocket melons >>>>> except larger size. var. chito (lime melon, apple melon) look even more >>>>> closer to our dosakai. >>>>> >>>>> Can any friend help to solve this dilemma. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to indiantreepix+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to indiantreepix@googlegroups.com. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en >>>>> . >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource of more than a *thousand >>>>> species* & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise): >>>>> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg. 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