Tabish ji Please note that leaves in Viola canescens and V. betonicifolia are totally different. They are thicker, shining, glabrous with truncate to hastate base, where as they are deeply cordate and much broader, not shining. Also the spur in V. canescens is longer and slightly curved, where as it is shorter, saccate and straight in V. betonicifolia. As for the flower colour pleasenote that flower colour varies from pale purple to violet, fading with age. Kindly compare leaves of V. canescens at FlowersofIndia website, Efloras of Pakistan and China with leaves of V. betonicifolia depicted in link cited by you, photograph forwarded by Garg ji and illustrations at Efloras of Pakistan and China.
I am uploading my photograph of V. betonicifolia from Manali. Leaves and Straight saccate spur are clearly visible. The flowers lacks violet veins, but is a common feature in many plants illustrated by my links above. Most important Indian specimens now placed in V. betonici folia were originally known as V. patrinii. I request you to see the following photographs: http://images.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://hhana.biz/hanadata5/sirosumire.jpg&imgrefurl=http://hhana.biz/photod.php%3Fhana%3D1046&usg=__8qVJe1v18AzYZNq9W0mC-kvr8PI=&h=768&w=1024&sz=163&hl=en&start=8&tbnid=_WyvxQPLk9fDtM:&tbnh=113&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DViola%2Bpatrinii%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den http://images.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://pds.exblog.jp/pds/1/200702/03/26/d0059226_16324172.jpg&imgrefurl=http://hanazukusi.exblog.jp/4671039/&usg=__aaUtl0-ErGw93cmWcBsJ31zdRI0=&h=480&w=640&sz=30&hl=en&start=11&tbnid=fJAi3IGdI879HM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3DViola%2Bpatrinii%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den http://images.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://shiretoko.muratasystem.or.jp/2006/06/060626br.jpg&imgrefurl=http://shiretoko.muratasystem.or.jp/2006/06/060626az.html&usg=__F_Z3Jp3b2Rvu6EgANgV_HXYsGm0=&h=602&w=800&sz=37&hl=en&start=19&tbnid=Rwt6TU-N4EGTiM:&tbnh=108&tbnw=143&prev=/images%3Fq%3DViola%2Bpatrinii%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den http://images.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/2009.04.04-6.5.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www5e.biglobe.ne.jp/~lycoris/nonohana.dayori-hiturugisan.html&usg=__OhO8Q0oQjVSbeSc5V7HUFWVjND8=&h=727&w=969&sz=123&hl=en&start=30&tbnid=uEG5GyCnyfPpDM:&tbnh=111&tbnw=148&prev=/images%3Fq%3DViola%2Bpatrinii%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20 http://images.google.co.in/imgres?imgurl=http://flower.onego.ru/other/other/ena_5769.jpg&imgrefurl=http://flower.onego.ru/other/viola_n.html&usg=__lO5ecB4RWMFR1CwPvBrW420gHhY=&h=600&w=861&sz=50&hl=en&start=4&tbnid=LPzWQZqKYcIA9M:&tbnh=101&tbnw=145&prev=/images%3Fq%3DViola%2Bpatrinii%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D20%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN Dr. Gurcharan Singh Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College University of Delhi, Delhi India http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tabish" <tabi...@gmail.com> To: "indiantreepix" <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 9:28 PM Subject: [indiantreepix:21995] Re: Request for ID for HP Flora1 I think this should be Himalayan White Violet (Viola canescens) without doubt. This is the only Viola species with pale violet to almost white flowers found in the Himalayas at altitudes of 1500-2400 m. Gurcharan ji absent-mindedly typed Veronica betonicifolia when he wanted to type Viola betonicifolia. Viola betonicifolia has flowers which are violet, and look very different from this one. See this page for example: http://www.anbg.gov.au/gnp/gnp11/viola-betonicifolia.html All other Viola species in the Himalayas at these altitudes have yellow flowers. - Tabish On Nov 1, 6:22 pm, "Gurcharan Singh" <sin...@sify.com> wrote: > Garg ji > A was able to find only one plant of this at Manali. It is Veronica > betonicifolia (Syn: V. patrinii). This one one has narrower leaves than > canescens, thicker, nearly glabrous, not deeply cordate at base, and > corolla with a short saccate spur (spur longer, slightly curved in V. > canescence). You can view google images, illustrations of Efloras of China > and Pakistan. > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College > University of Delhi, Delhi > Indiahttp://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45 > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: J.M. Garg > To: indiantreepix > Cc: Nudrat ; Tabish ; Gurcharan Singh-sify ; narendra joshi ; satish > phadke > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2009 6:23 PM > Subject: Fwd: [indiantreepix:20203] Request for ID for HP Flora1 > > Forwarding again for Id assistance pl. > Himalayan White Violet (Viola canescens)? > http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20White%20Viol... > > Earlier relevant feedback: > > "This is Viola, experts may confirm the species!! I dont have > literatures right now!! " from Pankaj ji. > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nudrat Sayed <nudrat....@gmail.com> > Date: 2009/10/5 > Subject: [indiantreepix:20203] Request for ID for HP Flora1 > To: indiantreepix <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> > > Hello > > I am really grateful to all the members of Indiatreepix for helping me > with the identification of the plants that i have been posting. Once > again i seek help. > > I came across this particular delicate plant at an altitude of > approximately 2100 mtrs. Can it be a member o Begoniaceae. Plz help > with the identification > -- > Regards > Dr. Sayed Nudrat Zawar > Senior Conservation Officer > Conservation Action Trust Mumbai > > -- > With regards, > J.M.Garg (jmga...@gmail.com) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1 > 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' > Image Resource of thousands of my images of Birds, Butterflies, Flora etc. > (arranged alphabetically & > place-wise):http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg > For learning about Indian Flora, visit/ join Google e-group- > Indiantreepix:http://groups.google.co.in/group/indiantreepix?hl=en --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "indiantreepix" group. 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