Please follow them till maturity to resolve. Here in Delhi there are two types of fruits sold in the market. Those looking similar to yours sold as petha (most commonly) or kadu or safed kadu (some as Sita phal) and cooked as vegetable. These are globose, dark green with white lines or patches, almost flat or depressed top. The second is sold almost yellow in colour (second photograph in my book), elongated, almost oblong and up to 80 cm long, mostly sold as Sita phal, cooked as vegetable but more commonly as sweet halwa. Inititially I had thought them to be two different species, former as C. pepo and latter as C. moschata, but latter changed my mind after seeing wide range of fruits in the market and images of ayote squash on the net and its description in Vegetable crops by Balakrishnan. As I wrote earlier may be you will be able to give me a clear picture after studying your vines in detail and following up fruits till maturity.
Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:14 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Sir, > > There are three vines growing in our home. From ground they climb to the > roof of our store room as can be seen in the newly attached first pic. > There. on the roof, they remain prostrate. They are intertwined so closely, > firmly gripping each other with their tendrils, it is hard to separate them > and follow individually. > > Yet, i rechecked thoroughly this afternoon. All bearing - > > - same leaves, no white patch on any, petiole prickly > - mature stem of all very prickly > - leaf upper surface very scabrous, lower surface hairy, but not > scabrous > - two plants bear fruit; fruits are same, peduncle grooved, somewhat > woody (not sure, maybe corky instead) > > As for *sepals* it is the most confusing part. Of all the flowers i have > examined only 3 or 4 have somewhat foliaceous sepals at the tip. But, this > foliaceous part is variable (pic xx399 in this latest record), one having > distinct while another is narrow wing like along the linear sepal. > > Surely *the fruits can be said xerox copies of your photograph in page 53 > of your book. Also the leaves in page 51.* > *Also, it can be said that my plant(s), except for sepal confusion, is a > copy of the illustration in FoC > <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=119692&flora_id=2>.* > > On the other hand all the three plants certainly oppose the record of *C. > moschata* by Dr. Haines, "The species is easily recognised by its general > softness,.." > But, then i might be very wrong, perhaps *C. pepo* is much more > harsh-rigid-prickly than i am thinking of. > > Thank you, > > Regards, > > surajit > > > > On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:33 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Surajit ji >> If this particular plant is at a place where you can follow it up, you >> may be able to solve the mystery. Your photograph 312 does not show any >> foliaceous calyx lobes, but 336 shows clearly foliaceous. Are they are from >> the same vine?, if not keep track of them. Your image 323 shows the swollen >> tip of peduncle slightly separated from fruit base as also shown on page 53 >> of my book. This is one aspect you can perhaps sort out before next >> printing of my book. I have depicted both types of fruits in my book. Two >> things that kept me away from Cucucurbita pepo are first leaves not lobed >> (All plants of C. pepo I have seen in California including Zucchini which >> is now grown in India have deeply lobed leaves). Besides Book Vegetable >> Crops by Balakrishnan mentions only chapan kadu as member of C. pepo >> cultivated in India. >> >> Perhaps you have a very challenging assignment. >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:56 AM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Good morning Sir >>> >>> Attaching photographs male & female flower, fruit, leaves, sepals, >>> petiole, peduncle/pedicel. Leaf stalk is prickly, petiole sometimes longer >>> than lamina. Petiole odorous but not intense. >>> >>> Thank you, >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 10:26 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir, >>>> >>>> I am attaching records from Dr. Prain, Dr. Haines, FBI & FI. It is >>>> interesting to not that while Dr. Haines thinks *C. melopepo* L. is >>>> synonymous with *C. pepo* DC, Dr, Prain & Dr. Hooker think otherwise. >>>> >>>> The leaves (not photographed yet) of this plant are harsh, and the >>>> entire plant is somewhat prickly. >>>> >>>> >>>> *C. pepo* DC >>>> *C. pepo* Willd. iv. 609 *C. moshcata* Duchesne >>>> *C. melopepo.* Willd. iv. 610. *C. maxima* Duchesne Prain >>>> >>>> rigid, pungent hairs on the beneath of petiole; leaves deeply five >>>> lobed; >>>> >>>> calyx lobes narrow subulate leaf stalk hairy all over, but not pungent >>>> or rigid hair; >>>> >>>> calyx lobes broad spathulate, leafy >>>> leaf stalk hairy all over, but not pungent or rigid hair; >>>> >>>> calyx lobes narrow-subulate Haines leaves harsh, rigid, acute lobed; >>>> >>>> >>>> peduncles sulcate; >>>> >>>> corolla narrowed at base, with erect lobes leaves soft, indumentum >>>> fine & soft; >>>> >>>> peduncle pentagonal, >>>> expanded below the fruit; >>>> >>>> sepals often foliaceous leaves harsh, rigid, rounded lobed; >>>> >>>> peduncle not sulcate; >>>> >>>> corolla lobes curved outwards FBI prickly rigid hair on the beneath of >>>> the petiole; >>>> >>>> peduncle woody, strongly grooved; >>>> >>>> hairs of the petiole not pungent; >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------- >>>> >>>> calyx segments spathulate or foliaceous hairs of the petiole not >>>> pungent; >>>> >>>> peduncle stout corky, striated, not grooved; >>>> >>>> calyx segments lanceolate-linear FI fruit sub-cylindric, both ends >>>> obtuse, suface very even fruit roundish, smooth, torulose ----------- >>>> >>>> It is very confusing. >>>> >>>> Thank you, >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> Surajit ji >>>>> This fruit had confused me a lot, initially I had also thought it to >>>>> be C. pepo, but after I saw some older fruits, I noticed features of C. >>>>> moschata. >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Nov 3, 2013 at 9:33 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> This one is growing on the roof of our storeroom. It seems to be the >>>>>> *Cucurbita >>>>>> pepo >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/mQuQIkIuzns>*, >>>>>> but is it *C. pepo* L.? >>>>>> Both in "Bengal Plants" and in Flora of British India it had been >>>>>> cited as *C. pepo* DC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you, >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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